US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

BTW, any of you easties have any doubt the west can easily prove usapa was formed in part to undo the nic. and establish doh to favor the east? If you do, you need to rethink your stance. Videos, emails, attorney letters, lanyards etc. we have them all and ready to be admitted into evidence again. There is no question why you formed usapa, that my friends is undeniable, and it doesn't go away when and if you ratify a contract with something other than the Nic.

Leonidas will also be sued for damage. It's sole purpose of founding was to destroy East pilots' livlihoods. Their first act was to not support pay parity. There will be a lawsuit for that also. Leonidas is a corrupt organization that has stolen ID's to destroy W 2 s of East pilots in order to achieve the Nic. We have the videos, lanyards, statements. There will be a suit.

 

[Black Swan]

"Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award."


9th Circuit court published ruling

Now, who do you believe on the harm issue? Who do you believe when the west says the Nic has to be in it, and the 9th says it may not? A bunch of disgruntled west pilots, or the 9th? Let the re writing of history begin West posters!

 

[LSS]

When pilots have to buy tickets on their own airline to travel because they can't count on being given the jumpseat, things are bad...REALLY bad. And I feel they will get worse.

Driver B)

AMEN to that Driver!... and if I'm going to buy a ticket... it will be on another carrier if I'm headed West!

 

[Black Swan]

Have you thought this thru? The reason this happen is that you guys were constantly lied to by the same guys you have in usapa lying to you right now. I closely followed the arbitration hearings. Every day the west MC would release the actual transcripts for the day, on the east Dean Collelo would write his opinion of what transpired, and his take on a daily basis was simple "we won again today!". You guys never saw the transcript and the majority of you guys never read the Nic. and have no clue how it truly affects you. You have elected a union that constantly lies and constantly tells you what you want to hear. But to get back to your point here, you want a do over after your fortunes have improved.

Why read it? Even the 9th says it does not have to be the final product. Read, and rejected. Backed by the 9th in San Francisco. The FINAL Authority. USAPA- The best money ever spent!

 

[Ames]

Leonidas will also be sued for damage. It's sole purpose of founding was to destroy East pilots' livlihoods. Their first act was to not support pay parity. There will be a lawsuit for that also. Leonidas is a corrupt organization that has stolen ID's to destroy W 2 s of East pilots in order to achieve the Nic. We have the videos, lanyards, statements. There will be a suit.

Leonidas's sole purpose is to defend the final and binding arbitrator's decision, nothing more.
The eastholes pulled out of negotiations - Leonidas didn't telll them to - so there goes your pay parity.
You eastholes are still trying to prove that your ID's were stolen. Good luck with that. Oh, and if you do prove them stolen Leonidas won't be guilty.
Enjoy the videos, lanyards, statements. They were created to counter the lies that your crappy "union" tells you.

In other words, your statement above is total and absolute fabrication and delusion. Nothing more expected from an easthole - especially you, luvthe9 - you're one of the worst ones.

 

[A320 Driver]

Leonidas's sole purpose is to defend the final and binding arbitrator's decision, nothing more.

You've never paid them money? Taken a poll? Taken a vote?
I think AOL is a good deal deeper intwined into this thing than you'd like to admit. There is more than just the legal aspect. I had some flyers to prove it.

But that is also my opinion.

Driver B)

 

[Piedmont1984]

" Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award."

9th Circuit

What exactly does that mean? We don't have to use the Nic - but the Nic is the standard? Any Section 22 language which disadvantages the west when compared to the Nic is a DFR?

Legal fine print = the devil's details.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Leonidas's sole purpose is to defend the final and binding arbitrator's decision, nothing more.
The eastholes pulled out of negotiations - Leonidas didn't telll them to - so there goes your pay parity.
You eastholes are still trying to prove that your ID's were stolen. Good luck with that. Oh, and if you do prove them stolen Leonidas won't be guilty.
Enjoy the videos, lanyards, statements. They were created to counter the lies that your crappy "union" tells you.

In other words, your statement above is total and absolute fabrication and delusion. Nothing more expected from an easthole - especially you, luvthe9 - you're one of the worst ones.

YEA right and stealing our identities is justified, dream on, keep those donations comming MARTY to TEXAS !

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

AOL Strategy session caught on YOUTUBE before PHX CREW NEWS TAPING! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzF7K6X1USE

 

[Barrister]

" Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award."

9th Circuit

What exactly does that mean? We don't have to use the Nic - but the Nic is the standard? Any Section 22 language which disadvantages the west when compared to the Nic is a DFR?

Legal fine print = the devil's details.

Yea...I'm totally not getting the fantasy that it has to be the NIC or something better or it will be a DFR. DUH??????

NICDAO
NPJB

 

[luvthe9]

Leonidas's sole purpose is to defend the final and binding arbitrator's decision, nothing more.
The eastholes pulled out of negotiations - Leonidas didn't telll them to - so there goes your pay parity.
You eastholes are still trying to prove that your ID's were stolen. Good luck with that. Oh, and if you do prove them stolen Leonidas won't be guilty.
Enjoy the videos, lanyards, statements. They were created to counter the lies that your crappy "union" tells you.

In other words, your statement above is total and absolute fabrication and delusion. Nothing more expected from an easthole - especially you, luvthe9 - you're one of the worst ones.

If it is FINAL and BINDING, then what defense is needed? Law stands unto itself. There is NO need to hire an outside party to enforce the law. The US justice system is in place, and will enforce law. So what you have now, with Nicloau, is neither FINAL, nor BINDING. Just a negotiating position within a union. No law was broken.

 

[nic4us]

If it is FINAL and BINDING, then what defense is needed? Law stands unto itself. There is NO need to hire an outside party to enforce the law. The US justice system is in place, and will enforce law. So what you have now, with Nicloau, is neither FINAL, nor BINDING. Just a negotiating position within a union. No law was broken.

Holly cow!!! luv almost gets it!!

Now if he can wrap his head around the part that laws are broken once the union takes an alternate bargaining position that harms a minority for the purpose of promoting a majority at their expense, he will understand why Nic is both final and binding.

 

[Phoenix]

" Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award."

9th Circuit

...

But, but, but, they never said that. They only said, "Not ripe."

Internal Union Process..
9th Circuit

Nope. Didn't say that either. They only said, "Not ripe."

Wide range of Reasonableness...
SCOTUS as referred to by the 9th

Nope. They only said, "Not ripe."

Free to bargain in good faith for all pilots...
9th Circuit

Nope. Nope. Nope. Dicta don't mean nothing. They only said, "Not ripe." And besides, you will never get more than 200 cards. Gear up, already!!! Booyah!!

 

[Barrister]

So in your opinion the 9th said usapa is free to impose doh or whatever usapa deems proper on the west?

Glad you posted that: Read the dissent page 8020....

The issue ripe for decision are these:

Whether USAPA adopted and presented its senority proposal without
any legimate union objective.......HEY WHERE HAVE WE SEEN THESE WORDS BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!!

Could come back to haunt the West.

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Phoenix]

But, but, but, they never said that. They only said, "Not ripe."



Nope. Didn't say that either. They only said, "Not ripe."



Nope. They only said, "Not ripe."



Nope. Nope. Nope. Dicta don't mean nothing. They only said, "Not ripe." And besides, you will never get more than 200 cards. Gear up, already!!! Booyah!!

My apologies. I thought I could trust the jumpseater with my laptop. He seemed like such a cool guy.