US Pilots Labor Discussion

[aquagreen73s]

None of you smug, angry USAPA fuks have any clue what this man is going through right now. We would have had a joint contract, Capt Aherns would have had a $40k payraise, he could have paid off his house, his life stress would be minuscule compared to what it is now. But alas, you know-it-all DOH fuks had to screw it up for everybody.

Scroll down to the bottom for the sentencing guidelines. He's facing a Class 3 felony. This isn't good folks.


http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01204.01.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-1204. Aggravated assault; classification; definition

(L10, Ch. 241, sec. 1 & Ch. 276, sec. 2)

A. A person commits aggravated assault if the person commits assault as prescribed by section 13-1203 under any of the following circumstances:

1. If the person causes serious physical injury to another.

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C. Except pursuant to subsections D and E of this section, aggravated assault pursuant to subsection A, paragraph 1 or 2 or paragraph 9, subdivision (a) of this section is a class 3 felony except if the victim is under fifteen years of age in which case it is a class 2 felony punishable pursuant to section 13-705

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D. The term of imprisonment for a presumptive, minimum, maximum, mitigated or aggravated sentence shall be within the range prescribed under this subsection. The terms are as follows:

Felony Mitigated Minimum Presumptive Maximum Aggravated
Class 2 3 years 4 years 5 years 10 years 12.5 years
Class 3 2 years 2.5 years 3.5 years 7 years 8.75 years
Class 4 1 year 1.5 years 2.5 years 3 years 3.75 years
Class 5 .5 years .75 years 1.5 years 2 years 2.5 years
Class 6 .33 years .5 years 1 year 1.5 years 2 years

 

[traderjake]

Speaking of hypocrites, why don't you discuss the rumor floating around regarding a Senior US Executive?

Why don't you tell us?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Speaking of hypocrites, why don't you discuss the rumor floating around regarding a Senior US Executive? Hmmm, Maybe the pilots should know the moral integrity of their leadership prior to negotiating a contract?

You can blab it all you want like you did in your PM to me.

Silly me, I had your last name turned off from sending me nasty PM's, but forgot to turn your new name off. I fixed that.

Go ahead, spread your story. Hope for your sake its true before you blab.

 

[ROACLT]

None of you smug, angry USAPA fuks have any clue what this man is going through right now. We would have had a joint contract, Capt Aherns would have had a $40k payraise, he could have paid off his house, his life stress would be minuscule compared to what it is now. But alas, you know-it-all DOH fuks had to screw it up for everybody.

Scroll down to the bottom for the sentencing guidelines. He's facing a Class 3 felony. This isn't good folks.


http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01204.01.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-1204. Aggravated assault; classification; definition

(L10, Ch. 241, sec. 1 & Ch. 276, sec. 2)

A. A person commits aggravated assault if the person commits assault as prescribed by section 13-1203 under any of the following circumstances:

1. If the person causes serious physical injury to another.

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C. Except pursuant to subsections D and E of this section, aggravated assault pursuant to subsection A, paragraph 1 or 2 or paragraph 9, subdivision (a) of this section is a class 3 felony except if the victim is under fifteen years of age in which case it is a class 2 felony punishable pursuant to section 13-705

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D. The term of imprisonment for a presumptive, minimum, maximum, mitigated or aggravated sentence shall be within the range prescribed under this subsection. The terms are as follows:

Felony Mitigated Minimum Presumptive Maximum Aggravated
Class 2 3 years 4 years 5 years 10 years 12.5 years
Class 3 2 years 2.5 years 3.5 years 7 years 8.75 years
Class 4 1 year 1.5 years 2.5 years 3 years 3.75 years
Class 5 .5 years .75 years 1.5 years 2 years 2.5 years
Class 6 .33 years .5 years 1 year 1.5 years 2 years

Whats is sad is you were quick to malign the guy when you first posted on the subject and questioned commentary about why should people be hands off the subject and not pile on. To paraphrase, why back off because of all the bad things you feel East pilots have done to the West. Now you act is if you are concerned and feel sorry for him and and act as psychoanalyst to deduce what financial stress may have played a part. If he hasn't been tried, then no one knows the facts and speculating about how much trouble he is in some feigned sympathy is pathetic. As if you care beyond some connection you want to make for your own political ends in attacking your union and East pilots and their stand.

Pretty sad, pathetic, and transparent.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Why don't you tell us?

Honestly Trader Jake it's not ready for prime time. Lot's of smoke but precious little fire. Right now it's slightly more than a persistent rumor.

I have serious issues with the way US is run and with those that run it. I don't like them, trust them or feel they have an once of credibility whatsoever.

HOWEVER, Just because they're miscreants doesn't mean you assassinate their character with something that isn't accurate. The individual has a life outside of US Airways and it's not fair or right to do a hatchet job on that person. I won't do it unless and until I get some more evidence to support the current allegation. Put another way, I have enough for an indictment but not enough for a conviction.

There are two of your brethren who flew the A/C on the flight in question, along with the appropriate contingent of F/A's. All know first hand what if anything happened. All have chosen to remain silent, which I find rather interesting because normally you can't get 10 co-workers to agree upon where to have lunch much less keep a juicy rumor like this one quiet.

I'm happy to publish the story here so an employee doesn't take the heat, but one or more of those on the flight in question have to speak up and be heard. Otherwise I lose my credibility by reporting rumors. So somebody on that flight crew has to put their big girl panties on and speak out or funnel some proof my way. There are ways to do so undetected by Corporate Security.

CLT Crew News is a few hours away, why not ask Doug to confirm or deny the rumor?

As to the comment from Hero of the Stupid regarding his veiled threat. I can report rumors and leak what I know to the press all day every day and as long as I post it here as rumor, innuendo and allegation there isn't much legally that can be done. I have several reporters at the ready as soon as I get good evidence.

Otherwise we can all just continue this rumor circle jerk.

 

[aquagreen73s]

If he hasn't been tried, then no one knows the facts and speculating about how much trouble he is in some feigned sympathy is pathetic.

Typical for you to embrace the standard USAPA fuk simplification in order to ignore reality. The fact is that people don't get arrested and charged with class 3 felonies for nothing. The facts are straight forward in this case and it doesn't bode well. Prosecutors love these kinds of cases because there are so few facts to litigate over. I've heard from more than one source that he is/was a good guy and that this was out of character. This is exactly how good, decent people get snagged in the system of justice, and only a mindless fuk will sit there and pass it all off as something that will just have to play out. Let me tell you it doesn't play out for the benefit of the defendant in 98% of the cases. How do I know this? Because I worked for an entire year in law school at the public defender office in Pima County. I've argued several felony trials that resulted in quick guilty verdicts even though the facts were a lot less clear. They'll march the victim into the court room, put him on the stand, it'll be his word against Aherns', and if the hotel was smart (which they probably were) they had sent two guards up there. If so guess what...the second guard will take the stand and corroborate everything the victim said. Game, set match. So tell me Mr. Know-it-all, what's he going to argue? That he reasonably thought the security guard was intruder even though he was smoking in a non-smoking room and could expect the hotel staff to pay him a visit, and the security guard identified himself? Go ahead and argue that. Go ahead and take that to trial and see what it gets him. Hint: poof goes the mitigation. True to USAPA fuk form, you're quite the tough guy as long as it's not you.

As if you care beyond some connection you want to make for your own political ends in attacking your union and East pilots and their stand.

Real heroic thing you've done. Now you've got your very own casualty, with more to follow. The financial losses for your fellow pilots on account of the fraud of union you helped create is staggering and unrecoverable. I've got 20+ years to amortize the losses. Pilots like Capt Aherns are basically screwed. But why do you care. . . .

Pretty sad, pathetic, and transparent.

Why don't you give Mrs. Aherns a call and reassure her that everything will be fine? Remind her of how DOH is slam dunk, how a contract is right around the corner, how the pension investigation will restore what her husband lost, how LOA93 is a slam dunk...go ahead tough guy. It's you guys specifically that sabotaged the Wye River process and ensured that the pilot group would be torn apart. It's you and your accomplices who have outright lied to this pilot group and the worst part is that your own fellow East pilots believed you. They trusted you, but it turns out you and the promises of USAPA are nothing but a fraud. You can't and won't do anything because the fact is, for pilots like Capt Aherns' it's already too late. He signed on to your adventure and it cost him a house and now a lot more.

 

[Metroyet]

None of you smug, angry USAPA fuks have any clue what this man is going through right now. We would have had a joint contract, Capt Aherns would have had a $40k payraise, he could have paid off his house, his life stress would be minuscule compared to what it is now. But alas, you know-it-all DOH fuks had to screw it up for everybody.

Easy on the USAPA folks...it's just their nature. Like say....a Mortgage. What is it? It's an agreement you enter into with a bank...it assumes good faith, integrity, and honor. If the borrower fails to perform these most basic tenants of an agreement, then their home goes back to the bank. Is there really any more indicative Eastie trait than to financially STIFF those that they coerced into helping them? You know, when things don't turn out to their exacting expectations, they turn like rabid Eastie scab badgers and resort to the most despicable lows...like refusing to pay their bills. Chief Purger Sully knows a few things about refusing to pay his real estate bills too. Apparently his home wasn't worth as much as he demanded it be worth....so he stopped paying and sued. Shocker.

Is it any wonder this particular Easthole was Foreclosed on? No. No it isn't.....It's in their nature.
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[fodase]

Speaking of hypocrites, why don't you discuss the rumor floating around regarding a Senior US Executive? Hmmm, Maybe the pilots should know the moral integrity of their leadership prior to negotiating a contract?

Hmmm, a rumor? Kind of like the one that says the Nic. keeps east pilots from upgrading even though they got the first 517 spots and there are 3 east pilots in between every west pilot guaranteeing 75% of upgrades east? Aww shucks there I go letting facts get in the way. Tell me again where Kirby was cited?

 

[doh nogo]

Lot's of smoke but precious little fire.

You MUST be describing your pal sumadarson.

Right now it's slightly more than a persistent rumor.

I won't do it unless and until I get some more evidence to support the current allegation. Put another way, I have enough for an indictment but not enough for a conviction.

Was that your stance with the Cactus 18? What about the accused (and never arrested or charged) pilots caught in USAPA's identity theft witch hunt? Are your convictions consistent, or do they only apply when defending an east pilot?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Hmmm, a rumor? Kind of like the one that says the Nic. keeps east pilots from upgrading even though they got the first 517 spots and there are 3 east pilots in between every west pilot guaranteeing 75% of upgrades east? Aww shucks there I go letting facts get in the way. Tell me again where Kirby was cited?

I haven't mentioned any names at all, care to share what you know?

 

[doh nogo]

" His loyalty to the German army and his fellow soldiers went only so far as to avoid a firing squad" your quote jetz.

Your grandfather was a gutless swine who stood by while the concentration camps proliferated. He was only concerned with his own well being. This explains your allegiance to alpa. You were not provided with a better example than your pathetic, I've got mine, nazi grandpa.

In your typical low life, scumbag, furloughed, scab wanna-be, fashion you predictably twist and ignore what a person ACTUALLY says, just to fuel your psychopathic need to hear yourself talk and justify YOUR pathetic and miserable existence.

Notice that after 767jetz's post, the conversation on the subject of German soldier "unity" basically came to an end. Notice the number of people who supported his post and how many flagged yours as BS. Pretty telling that no one could or would rebut what he said from a man that was actually there. Then you come along thinking that you have something important to say. Not even your own cohorts want to come near your stench.

Did you happen to miss the part saying his grandfather was NOT a Nazi?

He was not a Nazi or ever near any concentration camps, but he saw the writing on the wall. He knew very well what the right and wrong thing to do was.

Maybe you also missed the part where his grandfather DID stand up and speak out against the Nazi Party AND his superiors, risking the firing squad to do so, and serving time in confinement for his independent thinking and resistance of tyranny to the extent possible.

German soldiers who knew the difference between right and wrong, like him, did not blindly follow the marching orders of their superiors in the name of solidarity with their fellow soldiers. He did not buy into the propaganda fed to him by superiors. And he had enough time in confinement to prove it.

He did what any person in that situation with a sense of humanity would do. Resist the tyranny where possible, and live to continue that resistance another day. Hence his loyalty to the German war machine was only enough for survival, resistance, and eventually return to his family. No one but you would twist it to mean anything else. I happen to know a thing or two about the era as well, and many German soldiers were victims of Hitler and the Nazi's, forced into a situation against their will by a mad man with all the power on the loose and out of control. Just as the pilots of USAirways under Cleary.

Leave it to a moron like you to selectively take words out of context to support your twisted agenda. Luckily almost everyone on this forum knows what was actually said, and sees you for the internet troll that you are. You deserve your misery. Rot in it.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Leave it to the employees of USAIRWAYS to bring non reving to a new level! http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11167/1154050-57.stm

 

[Zone5]

Absolutely.

I'm gone!

Me too! Back to lurking.

seajay

 

[Sadstateofaffairs]

Absolutely.

I'm gone!

Me too,

Sad

 

[aquagreen73s]

Run for the hills as cowards do.