US Pilots Labor Discussion

[700UW]

If they have to have an agreement, what happens when its a first time organized group?

Just like US Fleet Service organized under the IAM in 1994, they didnt reach an agreement until 1999, they had no agreement for four years.

NW AMTs went on strike, company imposed its own agreement and never negotiated a new one with AMFA, and AMFA returned to work under the imposed terms, no agreement ever reached. And the NMB did not approve an agreement, that is not their jurisdiction nor mission.

One of the purposes of the RLA is to provide for the prompt and orderly settlement of collective bargaining disputes. As provided for in the RLA, the National Mediation Board (NMB) is responsible for providing mediation services to help the parties reach a settlement should the parties fail to reach an agreement during direct negotiations. If the parties are unable to reach a voluntary agreement to establish or modify a collective bargaining agreement, either party may apply for the mediation services of the NMB. Once mediation is invoked, the NMB conducts mediation meetings until an agreement is reached or until the NMB concludes no agreement can be reached despite its best mediatory efforts. If the NMB reaches this conclusion, it urges both sides to resolve their dispute through binding arbitration. Upon rejection of the proffer of arbitration by either party, the NMB releases the parties into a 30 day cooling off period. During the cooling off period, neither side can alter the status quo. At the end of 30 days, the parties either reach an agreement or engage in self help. In some situations, the parties may be required to participate in a Presidential Emergency Board (PEB) and defer any self help action until 30 days after the PEB makes its recommendation.

24. Q: What if no agreement is reached during the 30-day cooling off period?
A: If no agreement is reached by the end of the 30-day cooling off period, the parties are free to exercise "self-help." This means that the Union is free to strike or engage in other activity, and the Carrier is free to impose its last best offer or temporarily cease operations or engage in other self-help activity, unless a PEB is created.

From the NMB 's web page.

NMB FAQ RLA

 

[BoeingBoy]

You know this for a fact? Could you please back this statement up with financial statements and expert testimony.

Dig up the BK2 filings. They'll show, both in words and numbers, that US was out of options without the merger. There wasn't enough cash left as of the merger to survive more than a quarter or two as a stand-alone carrier. Even Lakefield said as much. The only thing left that would prolong the exec's pay was parting US out.

So, boeingplt, how many vacancies would have been left to move up to for any East pilot?

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Opinion, correct?

Not according to oldie, since using arbitration to settle disagreements is sprinkled throughout the RLA it must be true.

Jim

 

[No Land Green]

Dig up the BK2 filings. They'll show, both in words and numbers, that US was out of options without the merger. There wasn't enough cash left as of the merger to survive more than a quarter or two as a stand-alone carrier. Even Lakefield said as much. The only thing left that would prolong the exec's pay was parting US out.

So, boeingplt, how many vacancies would have been left to move up to for any East pilot?

Jim

Could you please dig them up and post them.

Thank you.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Dig up the BK2 filings. They'll show, both in words and numbers, that US was out of options without the merger. There wasn't enough cash left as of the merger to survive more than a quarter or two as a stand-alone carrier. Even Lakefield said as much. The only thing left that would prolong the exec's pay was parting US out.

So, boeingplt, how many vacancies would have been left to move up to for any East pilot?

Jim

Funny, the Arbitrator in the Dispatcher seniority integration used the KPMG audit of US Airways and its POR and found using verified data, none of your assertions valid.

 

[No Land Green]

Not according to oldie, since using arbitration to settle disagreements is sprinkled throughout the RLA it must be true.

Jim

Thank you, it's still your opinion.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Funny, the Arbitrator in the Dispatcher seniority integration used the KPMG audit of US Airways and its POR and found using verified data, none of your assertions valid.

Two watt thinking. The POR was the merger and the investments that went with it. Thus it's understandable that the future of the merged airline would be different than that of the old US as a stand-alone carrier.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thank you, it's still your opinion.

As it's everybody's option that's posted here. At least my opinion about the future of "old" US comes from facts and not wishful fantasies.

Jim

 

[Freighterguynow]

The bright side is, these individual will end up with their Nic number, and so will all those who formerly had an east seniority number.

Don't peak too quickly with that rage issue - have something for the next 3 1/2 years and no chance to bid east.

 

[ROACLT]

Where can one find the dispatcher seniroity award?

 

[CallawayGolf]

Crystal City, former HQ building for pre-merger US, was almost a total ghost town in September of 2005. There were hundreds of vacant workspaces on every floor. And the executive offices … echo, echo, echo. Just how was the airline going to continue to operate as a viable entity with virtually no administrative support? US was an $8B airline running on less than 10% of the staff required to keep it functioning. If it wasn’t for EDS holding down the fort (technology wise) even though they weren’t getting properly paid and AWA making US’ payroll, airline operations would have ground to a complete halt. If you didn't walk the empty halls of Crystal City then your perspective was likely skewed as to just how close to demise US really was.

 

[BoeingBoy]

have something for the next 3 1/2 years and no chance to bid east.

Thanks for pointing out the true purpose of those C&R's USAPA wants to use - keep all but the most junior West pilots in PHX while allowing a steady stream of East pilots to bid PHX and push nearly everyone there continuously downward.

Jim

 

[No Land Green]

Crystal City, former HQ building for pre-merger US, was almost a total ghost town in September of 2005. There were hundreds of vacant workspaces on every floor. And the executive offices … echo, echo, echo. Just how was the airline going to continue to operate as a viable entity with virtually no administrative support? US was an $8B airline running on less than 10% of the staff required to keep it functioning. If it wasn’t for EDS holding down the fort (technology wise) even though they weren’t getting properly paid and AWA making US’ payroll, airline operations would have ground to a complete halt. If you didn't walk the empty halls of Crystal City then your perspective was likely skewed as to just how close to demise US really was.

Were you there? Did you take photos and videos?

 

[No Land Green]

Thanks for pointing out the true purpose of those C&R's USAPA wants to use - keep all but the most junior West pilots in PHX while allowing a steady stream of East pilots to bid PHX and push nearly everyone there continuously downward.

Jim

oh Jim, LMAO, thanks for the HUGE laugh!!!!!!! Yeah, all the move up is going to be on the East side with the attrition. I don't see many vacancies at all in PHX.........

 

[Freighterguynow]

Thanks for pointing out the true purpose of those C&R's USAPA wants to use - keep all but the most junior West pilots in PHX while allowing a steady stream of East pilots to bid PHX and push nearly everyone there continuously downward.

Jim

I meant it from the standpoint the Nic is unratifiable so therefore, no east pilot will be bidding west either under separate ops.