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A Message From the Master Chairman, Captain Wendy Morse

""""Today the United MEC passed the following resolution:

Whereas the Air Line Pilots Association is founded on the fundamental premise of Schedule with Safety, and

Whereas maintaining One Level of Safety is a continuous and steadfast effort to mitigate risk, and

Whereas one of the most critical factors that results in increased risk is change, and

Whereas United Airlines is changing routes, airplanes, and operating procedures in an accelerated and ill-conceived fashion in order to attain a Single Operating Certificate by an artificial and unrealistic deadline, and

Whereas the individuals most qualified to assess risk are veteran ALPA pilot subject matter experts (SME’s), and

Whereas the considered input of the ALPA SME’s has been poorly received and in many cases ignored, and therefore the company’s risk assessment is not valid, and

Whereas safety institutions and regulators have consistently deemed there are 3 ways to mitigate risk; technology, regulation, and training, and

Whereas these same safety organizations have deemed the most effective of these three ways is training, and

Whereas the United Airlines has chosen to train its crews in new procedures via bulletin and Computer Based Training (CBT) modules, when established past practice would require stand up instruction and full flight simulation, and

Whereas this method of training is deemed insufficient and substandard to the Association’s commitment to One Level of Safety;

Therefore Be It Resolved, the United MEC does NOT endorse the make-up and quality of the Integration Training imposed by the company, and

Be It Further Resolved, the UAL MEC advises that Phase 1 Integration training is an FAA mandated requirement that must be completed by the pilots, and

Be It Further Resolved the UAL MEC directs the Master Chairman to utilize all available resources to gain more active oversight in the SOC integration process to address the risk assessment, safety considerations, and resulting training requirements best suited for attainment of a SOC.

In 1931 a United Airlines pilot, Captain Dave Behncke, and a group of key pilots from the other major airlines established the world’s most recognized, credible and trusted airline safety watchdog—the Air Line Pilots Association. Above and beyond anything else, safety truly is the bottom line for ALPA pilots.

For decades ALPA has always been an equal and trusted partner with United Airlines in developing, implementing and refining industry-leading safety programs as well as an untouchable safety-oriented culture. For example, after the 1978 crash of a United DC-8 in Portland, Ore., the UAL MEC and United worked jointly to develop Command Leadership Resource Management (CLR). This safety program proved so successful that it has been adopted as an industry standard, not just for airlines, but for myriad other industries, including the medical field. This is but one example of the caliber of product which comes about through ALPA involvement.

In the 32 years since the Portland crash, United Airlines has not suffered a single passenger fatality caused by pilot error. This is no accident. But today I must alert the United pilots that the very foundation of our impeccable safety record is at risk. For whatever reason, a fundamental change has occurred in the relationship between the Association and United Airlines. The company has made a choice to discount the value of our input. We are no longer true partners in United’s future safety equation. We have heard managers claim ALPA is involved, and that ALPA’s input and partnership are valued and encouraged. This is not accurate.

As we all know, the company is seeking a single operating certificate (SOC) to legally combine the airline operations of United and Continental. What is easily misunderstood is the path that United is taking towards a SOC. United has chosen to, in parallel, bring the CAL and UAL operations to identical states prior to FAA award of a SOC. Thus, while each phase of the process is designed to move towards integration of the two operations, each phase is also, and simply stated, an independent FAA-approved revision to each airline’s current operating manuals and procedures. Each revision is approved by the FAA prior to implementation.

Managers have claimed that there is ALPA involvement at all levels of the Change Management Process. What management doesn’t say is that most of the managers and subject matter experts (SMEs), while ALPA members, are not elected or appointed ALPA SMEs. They do not report to the Association, the only legally recognized representative of the pilot group. While the company’s SMEs are talented, and capable, many of them ALPA members in good standing, their recommendations have the potential to be subordinated by corporate constraints and priorities, which frankly, often include cost and expediency. Thus while the company’s SMEs may serve two masters, that of safety and cost, the ALPA safety representatives share the same experience and expertise but serve only one master—safety.

On the committees on which we are involved, the company has clearly articulated that if they disagree with our safety concerns, they will ignore them and move the subject to the next level where no ALPA involvement exists. This is unprecedented.

Our pilots and the company should make no mistake. We will not go quietly into the night and watch 85 years of progress be thrown out the window. Your MEC deliberated intensely over a number of strategies and options and clearly directed the MEC Officers to protect our airline’s safety culture. You can be assured that we will spare no effort in protecting and defending our profession, our training and the very future of safety at United Airlines. Nonetheless, because it is our job to protect and defend the careers of our pilots, it is our duty to advise you that FAA-mandated training must be complied with.

For a long time, the company motto was “Safety is our number one priority.” We wonder why United Airlines would ever dismiss this motto. What could possibly be their number one priority now? There is nothing more sacred to our profession, or to the traveling public, than the training and safety of what is soon to be the world’s largest air carrier.""""""
 
I will leave you wanting more.
In the same way your leave your "women" wanting more?

Your desperation is hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.


USAPA = Losing ground and relevance.

P.S. Are you the downtrodden 59 year old pilot in the CLT crewroom with the "Catfish" badge? You're a comedian! Enjoy the fruits of the E-190.
 
That is a great clip! I'll be sending that as a link to others, because it's what I've been telling every one that WORKS for a living.

What movie is this? I've always been a great fan of Darth Vader...I mean James Earl Jones.


The Movie is titled Matewan Filmed in 1987, Written and directed by John Sayles (Lonestar, 8 Men Out, Secret of Roan Innish and about 10 more). The movie portrays the events leading up to the Matewan Massacre which was the start of the WV Coal Field Wars. My dear friend the late Hazel Dickens wrote and performed most of the songs. Below are two links. One about the movie and the other about what actually happened in Matewan. It's a splendid movie.


Matewan Massacre

Matewan the movie

C. E. Lively was a spy for the Baldwin Felts Detectives hired by the Coal Company. 13 months later C. E. Lively shot Sheriff Sid Hatfield on the steps of the McDowell County Courthouse in broad daylight and was NEVER brought to trial. Sid was shot 13 times on those steps. Lively's bullet was between the eyes


 
Jamie you are correct, no one can force any pilot to vote for a contract with Nic. and as such your side has veto power over any deal. Remember usapa's argument in court? Usapa's doh list is the way for the majority to break the logjam. Well that is illegal, barton says so. Jamie a simple question, all things being equal what is better for a west's pilot career, nic. or doh? answer it truthfully and you have your answer for Silver's court, the 9th screwed up big time, the dissent at the 9th warn them that we would be back in court with the company and guess what, we are.
I think I know who you are. DMc.

So I am right.

DOH is not illegal until we have a vote....then you can test it.

Your tortured readings of Barton and Air Wisconsin is your Waterloo.

DOH is better. If the next merger comes about what will you tell those pilots on the "third" list why they should wait for you to leave....explain it to them.

Going to appeals court again...we're in it for the long haul.

Hey, why don't YOU take over for Jacobs....you may actually succeed him at Posinelli with your arguments.

We're in court because the company is playing both ends against the middle...who couldn't of predicted that!

Good luck.
 
I will leave you wanting more.

Frankly Sum/Nos you simply finding us all wanting you to leave until you can grow up and converse like an adult. Your pathetic attempts to goad us into your little cyber-fight reeks of desperation. I would not surprise me if you were in fact instructed by the Cleary regime to be a kind of Tokyo Rose.

Those people that are hanging on too tight to the DOH pipe dream will have a very long way to fall when this nonsense ends. Logically speaking, there is little to no chance that the Nicolau Award will be legally vacated. Parker is simply waiting for the courts to instruct him on what he can and can not do (that is what path is legally correct, and that which will cost him legally).

In the meantime el Presidente' continues the path of delay, deception and destruction. MILLIONS of dollars are being wasted and lost in this paper chase.

USAPA supporters: Are you tired of this yet? Cleary has legally spent "us" into a hole and IS NOT prepared for another merger. Are you satisfied with the way your dues money is being spent? If so, you can help us all by getting involved and make necessary changes in our constitution. Please join us at: www.reformusapa.com. Even if you do not subscribe to the petition regarding seniority, you most certainly should read the two others (voting dynamic & putting a muzzle on Cleary before he runs the ship aground).
 
Actually I agree with EoA on this. The courts have tried to telegraph to the pilots that they need to get rid of USAPA and then take care of the integration issue themselves.

Where USAPA's Founding Children got it wrong is in not forming USAPA before the integration process began. They needed to oust ALPA before Nicolau was ever involved. But they tried to play games and threaten ALPA and then bolted, but alas it was too late, the Nic list had been published and accepted. Now USAPA has to try peddling the idea that the Nic list is merely one of many bargaining positions with no greater credence than the obviously discriminatory one they dreamed up. That has gained no traction anywhere it's been heard and so they continue with their "Don't just do something, Stand there" strategy, which too violates their duty to represent the west pilots who are entitled to timely negotiation of a joint contract, just so that the east F/O's can occupy their seats before No Bump No Flush goes away.

Everyone has tried to tell the pilots they need to stand up and be responsible for themselves and if that means dismantling and grinding up USAPA, and replacing it with a bipartisan union, so be it.
So, if that we're true, how come you're not included in the latest bids for the 330, which happens to be east metal????

Just curious.

Do you believe Silver will order the company to accept bids from West pilots to East positions? Not by a long shot. Wake tried that and lost. She can't either.

Good luck.
 
The delivery is harsh, but at least sumadarson links are factual and true.

Even you can't be that dumb...let me rephrase that...while many of Nosum's links are factual he calls them something that totally distorts the meaning of most of them. Just look at his "America West pilot's W-2..." and see if you can find "W-2" on that link anywhere.

Jim
 
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