US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Res Judicata]

I'm not playing any games with safety, you moron. You remember those accidents you guys like to throw around? Well, even though the vast majority of us have never put a scratch on an airplane or person, we all played a part on getting this airline on a firmer footing. A few people are not carrying that forward, for example using the training dept for discipline. We are safe, it's just that some of us see the trend line headed down, and power needs to be applied..................

I can see you at the supermarket, "Don't bruse my grapes your idiot, don't you know I'm already having a bad day because those mean old easties stole my seniority! Don't you know that! Are you in on it too!!!!!!! ARRRRRGGHG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I guess I had you wrong. I'm mainly a lurked here. You seemed like one of the more normal people here. You're just another hysterical name caller. Please understand how insulting to ones intelligence it is when you claim usapa isn't using safety as some kind of DOH weapon. It's sad, immoral and pathetic. IOW, all things USAPA.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Piedmont1984 asked: "Is this a major development, or another pilot's opinion? How does this other pilot have access to such information?"

USA320Pilot answers: The information was reported by a US Airways pilot who was a MEC Chairman. He is an honest man with inside connections; therefore, I believe the information is true. It will be interesting to see how Kubic responds.

Moreover, USAPAWATCH reported, "TheEye has confirmed that none of the pilots facing termination are USAPA officers, BPR members, or Committee Chairmen. That’s correct; the same Mike Cleary whom so smugly suggested to a Crew News audience a few years ago that “we should watch what they do, not what they say” when judging the actions of management didn’t even have the courage to follow the advice given by his Union’s whisper campaign. He along with the rest of the USAPA leadership completed their required training prior to the deadline."

If true, USAPA's leaders are cowards.

 

[traderjake]

Tell us about when you were fired from the company. What did you do to get your job back?

We'll see if your boys can work their magic again.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

USAPA's Safety Culture survey had questions created by the union to provide a desired result. To view the creditability of USAPA's Human Factors and Safety Culture expert click here.

How many of Unbiased Facts' facts in the article referenced in the previous sentence are wrong?

USAPA's "Be Onboard" and "Think Safety" campaign is a last ditch effort to pressure the company into granting DOH and negotiating a new contract. If successful USAPA would like the company to deal with a liability lawsuit filed by AOL. However, US Airways will not agree to USAPA's blackmail, USAPA will always be DFR, and the union cannot close a new contract because its C&BLs prevents a TA without DOH. However, USAPA's illegal job action strategy is backfiring with the company preparing for the lawsuit and terminating USAPA's zealots from employment. And, the terminations will not stop here and the potential for US Airways to prove harm by some of its pilots is a serious union/member liability risk. Remember AMR and APA's court battle in 1999. Could we see the same result here?

Separately, when is it o.k. to break a promise?

When is it o.k. to violate Section 4 of the Tranistion Agreement that requires USAPA to implement the Nicolau Award?

When is it o.k. for a group of pilots to use their voting majority to attempt to impose their will on a minority group?

When is it o.k. for a group of pilots to use their voting majority to attempt to staple 85% of another pilot group to the bottom of the joint seniority list?

I agree with USAPAWATCH. "You may want to think twice before donning your silly yellow lanyard."

http://humanfactors.illinois.edu/people/People.aspx?19#MorePubs Wow did PM write any of these?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Piedmont1984 asked: "Is this a major development, or another pilot's opinion? How does this other pilot have access to such information?"

USA320Pilot answers: The information was reported by a US Airways pilot who was a MEC Chairman. He is an honest man with inside connections; therefore, I believe the information is true. It will be interesting to see how Kubic responds.

Moreover, USAPAWATCH reported, "TheEye has confirmed that none of the pilots facing termination are USAPA officers, BPR members, or Committee Chairmen. That’s correct; the same Mike Cleary whom so smugly suggested to a Crew News audience a few years ago that “we should watch what they do, not what they say” when judging the actions of management didn’t even have the courage to follow the advice given by his Union’s whisper campaign. He along with the rest of the USAPA leadership completed their required training prior to the deadline."

If true, USAPA's leaders are cowards.

Was an MEC Chairman, Honest man, with inside connections? Thank you for UNBIASED FACTS, Sounds like CONTRADICTIVE FACTS! And SOUR GRAPES! MM! Where's the RECALL ? The CARDS ? more BS! MM!

 

[luvthe9]

Still true today!!! http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/3173/Airlines

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnGMY-GzjZ8 Don't think PM ever went to these seminars! MM!

 

[Piedmont1984]

USA320Pilot answers: The information was reported by a US Airways pilot who was a MEC Chairman. He is an honest man with inside connections; therefore, I believe the information is true. It will be interesting to see how Kubic responds.

We're making some progress here. You believe the information is true. That does not constitute objective fact. That is opinion. In your opinion, according to what was told to you by a previous MEC chairman, who may very well harbor strong anti USAPA bias, similar to yours - Tom Kubic received a warning from the company.

I think it's safe to conclude that under the present circumstances the company has, and will continue, to write many letters of warning.

Theoretically speaking, I do agree that USAPA's leadership, BPR members and committee chairs should not ask, urge, instigate, persuade, cajole or condone any activity which they themselves are unwilling to undertake; nor ask the membership officially or unofficially to bear any burden, financial or otherwise, which they are unwilling to share.

They are, contrary to what some of them may think, quite expendable. And a few have been drawing FPL for far too long.

 

[Piedmont1984]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnGMY-GzjZ8 Don't think PM ever went to these seminars! MM!

Hey MM, how about a debate between PM and Van Thaden. I think I'll suggest it to the BPR. She should have the right, and the venue, to defend her survey and ask why management chose not to participate.

 

[luvn737s]

Thank you so very very much on the excellent advice about wearing my silly little yellow lanyard. Because of your advice I now know beyond a doubt the proper thing to do is to..............................wear the lanyard!!

Thank you, thank you very much
Bob

Well, with that inarguably mature decision making methodology, I urge you to complete your DLT by the 25th of August.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Hey MM, how about a debate between PM and Van Thaden. I think I'll suggest it to the BPR. She should have the right, and the venue, to defend her survey and ask why management chose not to participate.

Great Idea, sorta of a town hall venue with a Q&A would be very insightful! MM!

 

[john john]

should not ask, urge, instigate, persuade, cajole or condone any activity which they themselves are unwilling to undertake; nor ask the membership officially or unofficially to bear any burden, financial or otherwise, which they are unwilling to share.

😉

 

[767one]

Well, with that inarguably mature decision making methodology, I urge you to complete your DLT by the 25th of August.

It's just about complete. I'll finish the DLT early am tomorrow. The other poster (he who shall not be named) has had quite a following over the years but most who have known him from the alpa boards read for the entertainment value rather than the content. If we had alpa, or the teamsters, or God leading as our CBA his tune would not change.

Regards,


Bob

 

[Piedmont1984]

It's just about complete. I'll finish the DLT early am tomorrow. The other poster (he who shall not be named) has had quite a following over the years but most who have known him from the alpa boards read for the entertainment value rather than the content. If we had alpa, or the teamsters, or God leading as our CBA his tune would not change.

Regards,


Bob

Bob

It's Saturday night man, put the DL A-W-A-Y.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I understand from another US Airways pilot that "The 'Safety First' campaign is clearly a directive from Captain Tom Kubic's safety committee to slow the operations down. Captain Kubic has been placed on notice officially by the company via a letter from LCC that he can be terminated if he continues. We'll see what kind of balls he and USAPA has moving forward."

Normally union officials have indemnity from termination actions; however, this is a very serious step in US Airways' response to the war started by USAPA.

Why has USAPA not informed the pilot group of this major development?

This is a bald face lie! Tom Kubic has never been an advocate of any slow downs......EVER!

He simply wants to have the safest operation deserving of our passengers, employees and our airline. It's what all of us want.....except for CM who wants everyone to recognize his business prowess and his savvy for back-stabbing anything that doesn't fit into his perfect view of his ideals of the world. That's why he doesn't get to run anything....no one will vote for him because it's all about....HIM!

This kind of back-stabbing talk and innuendo is exactly why almost every pilot on the east despises CM for this very kind of trash. CM is a disturbed individual who wants recognition for something he is incapable of ever doing...LEAD.

Want a pitiful wretched man.