US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

I don't think anyone is fooled by USAPA's attempt to make safety a leverage tactic. Of course they will point to the legitimate examples, while conveniently ignoring or glossing over the many other instances that are far from cut and dry.

You start out with a good post for once and then you just can't stand yourself and have to spin it at the end. If you don't work at LCC, how can you back up either one of the above false statements?

If it isn't right it is going to get written up in the FDML, end of story, "cut and dry".

 

[No Land Green]

Last time I checked an Agent doesnt have his/her A&P License nor training on the airplane to diagnos and fix the problem, tell them to worry about their job and its functions and leave the troubleshooting to the mechanics.

Good post 700UW. Thank you Sir and you are spot on.

 

[cactusboy53]

Well maybe AWA......truth hurts

Yea, the part where our CEO said to us in the early Spring 2005..."Hey guys, I have a great idea....Let's save US Air!" It was a great place to be prior to that. We were upgrading, hiring, growing, making money and the HP really meant Happy People.

I think I'm going to petition that our two letter code be changed from US to SG (Sour Grapes): Sour for me because we tied our nice little schooner to the Titanic, sour for you ......well because you folks simply can't help but be sour. It's engineered in your DNA now.

 

[No Land Green]

Yea, the part where our CEO said to us in the early Spring 2005..."Hey guys, I have a great idea....Let's save US Air!" It was a great place to be prior to that. We were upgrading, hiring, growing, making money and the HP really meant Happy People.

Was AWA since inception always on the "upgrading, hiring, growing, making money" trend?

 

[cactusboy53]

Hmmmmm. That must be why there were 2 current US Airways pilots, 2 fighter pilots, 2 corporate, 5 121 captains, and a 121 chief pilot in my new hire AWA class. 🙄

I think we even have an astronaut (or two) here. Yep, bottom of the barrel we are.

Hey, isn't about time for you guys to dig up those 25-30 year old articles telling us what a low-life dirt-bag outfit AWA was???

 

[cactusboy53]

Was AWA since inception always on the "upgrading, hiring, growing, making money" trend?

No (it's that way for ALL BUSINESSES ...Troll), BUT that is what was happening when we acquired the hemorrhaging US Air......What a coincidence.......that I believe is where the PID date was set that gave the ground work for the mediation and arbitration! It's almost as if we followed the ALPA merger policy to a "T"........oh wait....WE DID.

 

[Phoenix]

What in the world are you talking about?

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Your hysteria has driven you to such a habit of rejecting anything and everything an East pilot does, thinking that surely there is some grand conspiracy afoot. I am nearly persuaded that if the East pilots ratified a Soutwest contract containing the Nic, you would simply spew out hatred and venom rejecting "their move" as another conspiracy to harm the West.

 

[No Land Green]

No (it's that way for ALL BUSINESSES ...Troll), BUT that is what was happening when we acquired the hemorrhaging US Air....

Oh, yeahI forgot, the parasitic AWA needed a "host" in order not to fold up. Who's money did you use to attach yourself to the "host"?

Since you called me a "Troll", what condescending name would you like me to call you? I can think of many.

How's your petition drive coming along?

 

[mikey60]

OH yeah. East Pilots have such a proud history of not taking any Sh*t. Do you realize that your group 2 captains make a hell of a lot less than most other FIRST OFFICER's!?

When attempting to be a big East coast, thuggish, tough guy unionist, it would help your credibility if you weren't the lowest paid, laughing stock of the industry.

When management ask's EAST pilots for a pay cut they shout "HOW MUCH!!!!''

You guys live in a time warp. You're so F'ed in the heads it's a waste of time to explain modern airline economics to you. While you're still trying to raise F.E. pay, your airlines have already moved to China to recruit pilots. You easties are literally decades behind reality.

Hey Ames, once again what do you care how much a east pilot makes? Worry about your own a$$ we'll take care of ours.

 

[No Land Green]

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Yep, bottom of the barrel we are.

Well not yet, because the East is the "bottom of the barrel", the West is one step above the "bottom of the barrel" and a JCBA with the Kirby Proposal, you so want, puts LCC AT THE "BOTTOM OF THE BARREL".

 

[Pi brat]

that I believe is where the PID date was set that gave the ground work for the mediation and arbitration! It's almost as if we followed the ALPA merger policy to a "T"........oh wait....WE DID.

Hmm, since you mentioned it. A few months ago a asked a question about PID and I don't remember anyone answering it. You say May 2005 is when the PID was set, and I figured it was sometime around then. And Nicolau used that time to lock us into our furloughed or non-furloughed status. But he used the 2007 aircraft and positions for slotting us, when the east had taken a much greater hit. Why do you think he did that?

 

[Pi brat]

Sopping-Wet Sullenberge

Classy.

 

[767jetz]

You start out with a good post for once and then you just can't stand yourself and have to spin it at the end. If you don't work at LCC, how can you back up either one of the above false statements?

If it isn't right it is going to get written up in the FDML, end of story, "cut and dry".

I don't have to back it up. I started with "I don't THINK anyone is fooled." It's an opinion. Your company seems to have the same opinion as per their communication to the employees. Facts SEEM to be emerging that the FULL story has not been given by USAPA. AGAIN... IMO.

 

[nic4us]

Since some of you are touting the multiple layers of our nearly infallible corporate maintenance infrastructure ......Couple of weeks ago we arrived at the aircraft for a morning originating flight at an out station. The aircraft had two MEL's. One was for the air conditioning system - the hot air trim was inop and the hot air p/b switch was in the off position and placarded inop. The MEL listed several criteria in order to continue operation with this discrepancy. One of the criteria was that the aircraft must have two operating air conditioning packs or controllers. Simple enough.

Problem was this - the other MEL was for air conditioning pack # 1 inop. I called MTC and brought this to their attention. Ooops!

Five hours later, after the flight was cancelled and a new a/c controller arrived from PHL and was installed by contract maintenance, the F/O and I ferried an empty aircraft to CLT.

Although it seems pretty obvious and should have never had the two conficting MELs issued...Good catch.

I will look at the MEL today, I think I may know what happened here. Was the second pack defered at the outstation by contract mx, or did a crew fly it with the two MELs to the outstation?

 

[Pi brat]

I stand by the previous statement - if it's in the MEL, you take it.

I tried to think of way to say this, but I'm going back to my first answer: This is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen written on here! The MEL cannot be written to cover every situation and that is why it is up to the CAPTAIN to decide if it is safe to operate the aircraft after balancing equipment and operating conditions. From the FOM and Mr Morrell's letter on safety:

'"If the captain is dissatisfied with any aspect of the aircraft's
airworthiness and/or maintenance status, or if he is not sure the operation can
be safely executed, then the operation will stop until he is completely satisfied."

If that captain did not feel the MEL was safe FOR THAT OPERATION, it was her duty to not accept that aircraft.

Now, with that off my chest I will say that when it comes to safety, it is up to every pilot and every manager to put other issues aside and not let them affect the safe operation of the aircraft. I do not believe in using safety as a job action, period. But notice that I said both. Even if there are some pilots using safety as a weapon, it is a dangerous practice for US management to ASSUME someone is doing it. It would be like a captain ignoring a F/A that calls reporting smoke in the cabin because he complained about catering during the captain's briefing.

I have refused three airplanes in my career that had completely legal MELs on them. Legal doesn't always equal safe, or smart.