US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Code Name V]

Grievance Update - Company Rhetoric Regarding LOA 93

The Grievance Committee has been made aware of comments made by Robert Isom, US Airways Chief Operating Officer, pontificating as to the timeline for Arbitrator Kasher's decision for Letter of Agreement 93, as well as the merits of the outcome.

As we updated to you in our June 7th briefing, in June, USAPA Paralegal Cathy McHale contacted Arbitrator Kasher seeking his availability for the scheduling of future arbitrations. Arbitrator Kasher reported that he was recovering from major surgery, that he was "back in business" and that he would try to complete his work within the next couple of months. As you are aware, he currently has two decisions pending before him: the Hotel Selection grievance and Letter of Agreement 93 grievance.

Mr. Isom's pontifications are just that: pontifications that are simply untrue. While we are truly impressed with Mr. Isom's ability to predict, with absolute certainty, the timeframe and outcome of this arbitration, perhaps his crystal ball abilities would be best served predicting, with absolute certainty, the price of oil. Could this be the reason US Airways doesn't hedge its fuel?

USA320Pilot comments: There are Internet reports that this week members of US Airways' "executive suite" held separate meetings with the Labor-Management Council, Check Airman, and Flight Department Operations personnel (EVP, VP, Senior Director, Chief Pilots, and Asst. Chief Pilots, etc).

At these meetings Robert Isom indicated that the company was "99% certain" that USAPA lost the LOA 93 grievance and that the Arbitrator's decision would be forthcoming shortly.

Well, looks like the FUD boy is at it again; company water boy to the end. What happened Chippy; pissed they didn't offer you the Asnt. Chief Pilot Position like your loser buddy Pollock? I'm sure you are right up there on their short list so keep your hopes up. Maybe then you can 'demand' some respect...

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[700UW]

Check Airman, Isom, and the others, are not the arbiters, not labor relations, not lawyers, not judges, nor did they write the LOA 93.

What they say dont mean squat.

If they are all that knowing, please ask them what the winning Powerball numbers will be.

Thanks.

 

[nic4us]

Check Airman, Isom, and the others, are not the arbiters, not labor relations, not lawyers, not judges, nor did they write the LOA 93.

What they say dont mean squat.

If they are all that knowing, please ask them what the winning Powerball numbers will be.

Thanks.

I get your point,but

Isom is the COO of USAirways Group.

I would think he has at least some idea about operations and/or labor relations. If he makes a comment like "the company is 99.9% certain we will win a favorable ruling in the LOA93 arbitration". Don't look at it like he is predicting the outcome, look at it like he is telling you what the company is basing its decisions on.

For example, if Isom said "we believe the winning numbers in the Powerball will include the numbers 2-18-24 and the powerball will likely be 7 or 39" don't be surprised when the company buys a couple of tickets with 2-12-18-24-35....7 and 2-18-24-37-41....39. doesn't mean they will win anything, just explains their motivations.

 

[toganoflex]

You do realize you are posting on a public forum, right? Your posts are an example of what is wrong
with the culture in this country. A person with no ax to grind like PAX...or me, can easily make up our own minds about posters like you. You need your mouth washed out with soap or your fingers amputated.

And you need to mind your own f'ing business.

 

[Barrister]

See what you jackasses have accomplished?

We know who you are.......a newbie (2-4 years) who will now check out in 15-20 years...
dude........SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!!.....but if taking your anger out
here keeps you from abusing or torturing some small animal...please have at it.!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[700UW]

I get your point,but

Isom is the COO of USAirways Group.

I would think he has at least some idea about operations and/or labor relations. If he makes a comment like "the company is 99.9% certain we will win a favorable ruling in the LOA93 arbitration". Don't look at it like he is predicting the outcome, look at it like he is telling you what the company is basing its decisions on.

For example, if Isom said "we believe the winning numbers in the Powerball will include the numbers 2-18-24 and the powerball will likely be 7 or 39" don't be surprised when the company buys a couple of tickets with 2-12-18-24-35....7 and 2-18-24-37-41....39. doesn't mean they will win anything, just explains their motivations.

Isom wasnt not here when LOA was negotiated, nor is he Labor Relations, that is Hemenway, Harbinson and Glass.

Isom is VP of Operations, not Labor Relations nor was he involved in negotiations. He duty is in charge of keeping the operation moving, not contract negotiations nor interpretation.

 

[toganoflex]

Isom wasnt not here when LOA was negotiated, nor is he Labor Relations, that is Hemenway, Harbinson and Glass.

Isom is VP of Operations, not Labor Relations nor was he involved in negotiations. He duty is in charge of keeping the operation moving, not contract negotiations nor interpretation.

If I do remember correctly, they all report to Isom, do the not?

Therefore, he is ultimately responsible.

 

[nic4us]

Isom wasnt not here when LOA was negotiated, nor is he Labor Relations, that is Hemenway, Harbinson and Glass.

Isom is VP of Operations, not Labor Relations nor was he involved in negotiations. He duty is in charge of keeping the operation moving, not contract negotiations nor interpretation.

700, I read all your post, and have a respect for most things you say, I am not trying to nit pick or start anything, but....


Isom is executive vice-president and chief operating officer.

That pretty much makes him Hemenway's boss. So he likely has a finger on the pulse of just about anything operational, including labor relations that are causing a disruption to his operations.

While he was hired in 2007, and was not "HERE" when LOA 93 was negotiated, neither was Parker, Kirby and basically the entire upper management. For that matter, neither where any of the employees.

Want to know why? I am going to tell you anyway.

Because LOA 93 was not negotiated "HERE". LOA 93 came along with the "transaction". Nobody was "HERE" for LOA93, or for bankruptcies 1,2 and 3. The fact that the east cannot come to grips with that is the underlying issue to all the problems.

 

[700UW]

Nope, I dont believe they do. Labor Relations has its own Sr VP, and I believe they report to Kirby and Doug, heads of Mtc, In-Flight, Pilots, Ramp and CSA fall under Isom.

 

[Crzipilot]

So he is Hemingway's boss, so he has the pulse, Yup probably, but which pulse?

Isom: Hey Hemingway, how ya think we gonna come out on that LOA 93, YOU KNOW we are counting on you winning that so we don't have to pay those rates, it would really be detrimental to this company, and expecially your job.....

Hemingway: Awwww boss, you know I got it wrapped up, We gonna win that LOA 93 thing by a landslide, don't you worry.............


Yup he's got a pulse, With the money he/they are paid, do you really think they have put themselves into the mindset to pay LOA 93? Uhmmm..no

 

[700UW]

Hemenway thought the same thing about the Airbus Arbitration and the company lost that. I even talked to the Corporate Attorney who told Hemenway, dont fight it your gonna lose and he lost and was stunned.

 

[nic4us]

We know who you are.......a newbie (2-4 years) who will now check out in 15-20 years...
dude........SUCKS TO BE YOU!!!!.....but if taking your anger out
here keeps you from abusing or torturing some small animal...please have at it.!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

PETA is grateful for your concern for small animals. Does it include small rodents like rats?

If so, you should direct your concern for small animals toward Cleary. The rat is going to need it.

 

[nic4us]

So he is Hemingway's boss, so he has the pulse, Yup probably, but which pulse?

Isom: Hey Hemingway, how ya think we gonna come out on that LOA 93, YOU KNOW we are counting on you winning that so we don't have to pay those rates, it would really be detrimental to this company, and expecially your job.....

Hemingway: Awwww boss, you know I got it wrapped up, We gonna win that LOA 93 thing by a landslide, don't you worry.............


Yup he's got a pulse, With the money he/they are paid, do you really think they have put themselves into the mindset to pay LOA 93? Uhmmm..no

Okay, you have a point that their "opinions" regarding an arbitrations outcome are prejudiced.

But, take a step back. My opinion is prejudiced, I know it, but I have read LOA93 and my opinion is the best you could hope for is a re-instatement of the 3% annual increase. I really think you are going to get nada. Your contract became amendable, nothing else. And, rather than amend your contract, you decided to stall negotiations and hold out on a long shot that your prejudiced opinion thinks is a winner.

I also highly doubt that Isom's sole source of info on this is Hemenway, and that the discussion is probably less along on the lines of the overly simplistic, do you think we are going to win, but more on the lines of how bad do you think the east pilots are going to be when we do win, and what can we do to protect ourselves (and our bonuses)from usapa and any east pilots that react to their loss on this thing inappropriately.

He probably got the answere to that question from legal who advised, well with the way things stand right now, you could tell all the employees to ditch the gang colors, then get an injunction over usapa's illegal slowdown, then when any of the malcontents cause trouble following their LOA93 loss, you have a court backed injunction to start firing at will.

But, maybe you are right and all Isom knows is a prejudiced opinion that Hemenway says it is in the bag.

 

[toganoflex]

They can use that measly 3% to refund their retirements.

When you have your own pilots giving away your pensions, every little bit helps I guess.

All that waiting for 3% is pretty sad. That is, if they even get that.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Nope, I dont believe they do. Labor Relations has its own Sr VP, and I believe they report to Kirby and Doug, heads of Mtc, In-Flight, Pilots, Ramp and CSA fall under Isom.

Usually in large company's the Labor Relations/Human Resources have a VP or Sr VP level person that reports directly to the Very top.

IMO Isom is involved because the data used to prepare the request for a Temporary injunction would come from Operations. Isom is also likely acting as point man as US wants it to look like their top people are on this due to the safety issues raised.

Regardless of whether there are real MTC issues or not or if the request for injunctive relief has merit doesn't really matter as the turd (In the form of the USAPA ad) is still floating in the bowl of public perception.