US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

I'll fess up that I did give the site the wrong name - it's not Pilot Pay Central but rather Airline Pilot Central (airlinepilotcentral.com). Don't even bother looking at the "legacies" for their pay scales - they're all above East, look at the "major, national, lcc" pay scales - excluding the RJ operators East is below every one (like I said earlier, I'm not sure they have the latest Frontier pay scales although media reports don't list pay reductions among the concessions).

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

That's it. Run away. I guess when you see an RJ driver making as much as you do the only thing you can do is hide and avoid the reality I'm dishing out.

I am not running away, just shutting you down, which I hope most of the pilots on this forum do.

You have nothing positive to add to this board, either for west or east and have a blatant disrespect for the pilot profession and the Captain's authority.

I don't want to hear your blather and BS and am signing you off.

find something productive in your pathetic life.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

You just can't quit me, can you. Are you going to leave like Pi left?

 

[luvthe9]

Because we have a weak union that won't protect us.

ANY union is only as good as it's membership, could never figure out why the west has always been scared to fight for higher pay, even in the pre-merger days, but I guess we all know now. Hey Aqua, I was not talking about an east-west thing.

 

[Move2CLT]

ANY union is only as good as it's membership, could never figure out why the west has always been scared to fight for higher pay, even in the pre-merger days, but I guess we all know now. Hey Aqua, I was not talking about an east-west thing.

We were never scared before. Our timing has never been the best. And now, USAPA allowed one of the ripest economic windows to open and close without a contract. They, instead, were too busy suing west pilots, chasing boogeymen, and pushing for DOH.

 

[Move2CLT]

I am blocking this dude.

breeze

It makes me laugh when old captains try to talk cool.

 

[aquagreen73s]

ANY union is only as good as it's membership, could never figure out why the west has always been scared to fight for higher pay, even in the pre-merger days, but I guess we all know now. Hey Aqua, I was not talking about an east-west thing.

When a union created by East pilots uses union resources to habitually sue West pilots, it's an East-West thing.

 

[BoeingBoy]

ANY union is only as good as it's membership

Good to finally see you admit that it was the membership and not ALPA all along...

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

ANY union is only as good as it's membership, could never figure out why the west has always been scared to fight for higher pay, even in the pre-merger days, but I guess we all know now. Hey Aqua, I was not talking about an east-west thing.

Uhm....while our Contract 2004 pales to your pre-LOA 93 contract, we were the FIRST major airline that hired back all 9/11 furloughees, first major airline to have a pretty good post 9/11 contract, and first major airline to hire off the street post 9/11.

Not too bad for Mesa Grande/Franke Lite. Heck AWA Holdings was the first to successfully* merge two large airlines post 9/11 (*technically we are merged - one certificate).

While any union is only as good as it's membership, I'm pretty sure our former CBA NEVER sued a couple dozen of its members for RICO charges, attempted to FIRE HUNDREDS for failure to pay union dues, fire countless pilots from various committee positions that are based at the LARGEST pilot base, and exclude the LARGEST pilot base from KEY COMMITTEE leadership positions.

USAPA = "Hey that noose is a little tight around the neck, buddy!" 😛

 

[Res Judicata]

Mike Cleary and the USCABA legal team preparing for Monday's beat down.

 

[Black Swan]

Mike Cleary and the USCABA legal team preparing for Monday's beat down.

This judge is learning a lot every day. I am sure the Wells situation was a real eye opener. I would imagine a lot of people , including the judge were wondering what could possibly been the outcome had Capt. Wells not stood her ground and that 330 had issues way out over the Atlantic.

 

[700UW]

This case is not about the Wells incident, its about an alleged concerted effort to slow the operation down.

 

[LSS]

This case is not about the Wells incident, its about an alleged concerted effort to slow the operation down.

No not solely... however, what has been occurring is the company’s challenge to Captain's authority... which in turn can jeopardize safety… No pilot should feel intimidated into taking any equipment if he or she questions the condition and safety of same, particularly as in the Well’s incident What should be glaringly obvious is the safety and comfort of the passengers and crew are of utmost importance. Sorry if “safety first” (their own slogan) interferes with Doug’s perks when adhered to by the CIC.

 

[Black Swan]

This case is not about the Wells incident, its about an alleged concerted effort to slow the operation down.

That is the allegation of the company. Others see it differently. The Wells issue is just the tip of the underlying issue. This company slows down without the pilots. As I recall it really slowed in CLT when somebody failed to order de icing fluid. Nobody was taken to court for that. perhaps a focus on safety does require a slower pace in many circumstances. This summer has had many weather issues. CLT has had huge construction issues. Massive RJ flow in CLT has clogged the air and ramps. I have seen NO slowdown. Just a close look at safety with an acute awareness the company is looking for hostages. The Wells Incident is going to go larger very shortly now that she testified. She will most likely be the subject of major network coverage now. It will be very interesting when Sullenberger is doing some commentary on this. He was not exactly thrilled with the Tempe Operating style. It was said the company initially went on a witch hunt for him after his incident.
I will be very interested to see if outsiders actually believe a judge will tell pilots not to write up airplanes. Also taxi faster. He could easily issue USAPA and the company a warning to work this all out together, which is the best outcome for all parties. There will be no "smack down". Especially after the Wells testimony.

 

[Keroseneuser]

That is the allegation of the company. Others see it differently. The Wells issue is just the tip of the underlying issue. This company slows down without the pilots. As I recall it really slowed in CLT when somebody failed to order de icing fluid. Nobody was taken to court for that. perhaps a focus on safety does require a slower pace in many circumstances. This summer has had many weather issues. CLT has had huge construction issues. Massive RJ flow in CLT has clogged the air and ramps. I have seen NO slowdown. Just a close look at safety with an acute awareness the company is looking for hostages. The Wells Incident is going to go larger very shortly now that she testified. She will most likely be the subject of major network coverage now. It will be very interesting when Sullenberger is doing some commentary on this. He was not exactly thrilled with the Tempe Operating style. It was said the company initially went on a witch hunt for him after his incident.
I will be very interested to see if outsiders actually believe a judge will tell pilots not to write up airplanes. Also taxi faster. He could easily issue USAPA and the company a warning to work this all out together, which is the best outcome for all parties. There will be no "smack down". Especially after the Wells testimony.

I find it odd that the company would be putting all this pressure on taxi speed after all the wingtip rubs we have had here and in the industry over the last year. CLT for example, if you follow the yellow taxi lines around the b and c cons you will wingtip strike the guy on the next taxiway line over. The lines are jacked up and there is not enough clearance for a 757 and a bus to be on both those lines at the same time. Not to mention the bazillion rj's and everybody needing to taxi in the same place to enter and exit during a large push. CLT ramp is a mess and after our sereral wingtip rubs everybody is paranoid about clearance.