US Pilots Labor Discussion

[USA320Pilot]

I believe prior to April 18, 2008 a compromise was possible. However, on April 18, 2008 when USAPA won the election a compromise became no longer an option because their is no legal entity to negotiate for the pre-merger AWA pilots. On April 18, 2008 USAPA became the PHX and LAS-based pilots collective bargaining agent. As such USAPA is required by law to administer the the terms of the pre-merger AWA pilots' contract: the Contract, LOAs, and the Transition Agreement. The Transition Agreement requires USAPA to honor the terms of the Nicolau Award for all parties they represent including those based on either side of the Mississippi River.

If USAPA fails to honor the terms of the PHX-based pilot's contract then USAPA is and will always be DFR.

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

I believe prior to April 18, 2008 a compromise was possible. However, on April 18, 2008 when USAPA won the election a compromise became no longer an option because their is no legal entity to negotiate for the pre-merger AWA pilots. On April 18, 2008 USAPA became the PHX and LAS-based pilots collective bargaining agent. As such USAPA is required by law to administer the the terms of the pre-merger AWA pilots' contract: the Ccontract, LOAs, and the Transition Agreement. The Transition Agreement requires USAPA to honor the terms of the Nicolau Award for all parties they represent including those based on either side of the Mississippi River.

If USAPA fails to honor the terms of the PHX-based pilot's contract then USAPA is and will always be DFR.

your hair looks stupid

 

[luvthe9]

Why do you guys fail to mention the PA rants Valerie made? NEVER in my career have I seen this kind of stunt go down. NEVER. I wish I could fire her personally myself. What should not be tolerated is her kind of behavior. Refuse the aircraft and leave. Done. Pretty easy to me.

And as for atmosphere, you don't think Cleary had anything to do with it? His attempt to manufacture leverage? Glass was brought back because he knows how to play the east pilots and you know this. You'd do the same if the situation was reversed.

The problem here is that USAPA is fighting a two-front battle. They're attempting to take on the company with 90's era work actions and, at the same time, fight off the west. You can't do that and expect to be successful. Imagine if the west had been on board? You guys blew your wad to soon and under strength. You now are not going to get a second chance.

You've painted yourselves into a corner and both the west and the company are just shaking our heads. We'd both be laughing but its been so embarrassing to watch this debacle unfold that we actually feel sorry for you guys.

These Move2Clt posts are very possibly a company official or one of our former posters, like Metroyet. The entire west posting group have been changing up by the days. You have either company people instigating trouble, or the other losers changing up. Either way, they are morons, and act like they actually were there. This idiot is the prime example. The funny part is Valerie Wells is going to be a huge game changer with this company. The judge heard her, and the following pilots who also downed the jet. That, is the icing on the cake! 😛 😛 😛

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Allegedly says it all....



Could be. According to Pilot Central year 6 Captain rate is very close (probably within cents since P.C. gives even dollars) and 5 year is $1+/- less. Their TOS is $133/hr. How many East 320/737 Captains are on the 6 year rate?

Jim

I stated "allegedly" because I had not then verified the info, simply passing it on. Awaiting word from Earl.

Surely you know that TOS is relative to the age of the company, a savvy pilot group restricting such to reflect their top longevity members, in their case, five or six years. Why would you so restrict yourself otherwise, putting into stone a fifteen year rate when your top DOH/longevity is only six? Not very good negotiating technique to do so, IMHO.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

your hair looks stupid

Love your moniker as well as your response.

 

[luvthe9]

I believe prior to April 18, 2008 a compromise was possible. However, on April 18, 2008 when USAPA won the election a compromise became no longer an option because their is no legal entity to negotiate for the pre-merger AWA pilots. On April 18, 2008 USAPA became the PHX and LAS-based pilots collective bargaining agent. As such USAPA is required by law to administer the the terms of the pre-merger AWA pilots' contract: the Ccontract, LOAs, and the Transition Agreement. The Transition Agreement requires USAPA to honor the terms of the Nicolau Award for all parties they represent including those based on either side of the Mississippi River.

If USAPA fails to honor the terms of the PHX-based pilot's contract then USAPA is and will always be DFR.

If you say so, it won't happen. We have that figured out!
Waiting for the invitation to the party going on with the attorneys on the 11 th floor. You know, the ones that KNOW they won like you said weeks ago. If it were such a celebration, why no invites for the rest of us? I say the company doesn t get their way Monday. The judge will figure Team Tempe out shortly for exactly what they are.

 

[Black Swan]

The company's filing late Friday afternoon says a lot. Doc 65 says:

"Full docket text for document 65:
Witness List (Sealed - Participants) by US Airways, Inc.(Marcus, Robert)"

This is after USAPA cross examined Lyle Hogg with a line of questions suggesting that the company had generated electronic messages which are being used to incriminate USAPA. In trial advocacy 101, this is called "opening the door" and it's exactly what USAPA just did for Siegel. They've opened the door for the company to now rebut USAPA with testimony explaining where the evidence came from. Someone is going to come in on Monday and tell all. The identity of this person or persons had to be sealed because obviously their testimony(ies) is/are going to end USAPA as we know it. Forget stats, this is going to be huge.

Huge? As huge as the 2 million you blew on an unripe case, or something else? For all the legalese you pontificate, you blew the very basic concept of ripeness by a mile. How do you explain that to the donors?

 

[Black Swan]

The company's filing late Friday afternoon says a lot. Doc 65 says:

"Full docket text for document 65:
Witness List (Sealed - Participants) by US Airways, Inc.(Marcus, Robert)"

This is after USAPA cross examined Lyle Hogg with a line of questions suggesting that the company had generated electronic messages which are being used to incriminate USAPA. In trial advocacy 101, this is called "opening the door" and it's exactly what USAPA just did for Siegel. They've opened the door for the company to now rebut USAPA with testimony explaining where the evidence came from. Someone is going to come in on Monday and tell all. The identity of this person or persons had to be sealed because obviously their testimony(ies) is/are going to end USAPA as we know it. Forget stats, this is going to be huge.

Is this the same person who used the postage meter to mail the "incriminating" items? Perhaps we will have that identity revealed along with the evidence you state. Then again, maybe the judge will have figured out the East pilots were tired of rolling over for Tempe and their games, especially after he got a look at the 330 incident that went down. That 330 deal is going to gain a life of its' own this week. I hear a lot of news agencies are very interested in this one. Maybe the judge is thinking of how it will look for him if he rules against USAPA, with the maintenance issues going on here going on national news with a real nice Valerie Wells interview on nightly news coming to a network near you!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Surely you know that TOS is relative to the age of the company, a savvy pilot group restricting such to reflect their top longevity members, in their case, five or six years. Why would you so restrict yourself otherwise, putting into stone a fifteen year rate when your top DOH/longevity is only six? Not very good negotiating technique to do so, IMHO.

True, I guess, since with no union I don't know if the pilots negotiated that scale or it was what was offered by management. Hey, if you're happy with being paid "within cents" of what a Virgin America pilot makes halfway to TOS more power to you. You've achieved your dream...

But I'll note that you did say "his quote of top rate".

Jim

 

[mikey60]

Thought you were going to win LOA 93. Reality creeping into your brain finally?


What will you do? An injunction in place and LOA 93 for the foreseeable future. Oh I know, I have the answer. Do what you should have done 4 years ago and accept binding arbitration. Or quit.

It doesnt matter to me since Im gone in less than two years, maybe less,maybe much less but what ever happens ,as long as it isnt the nic Ill be happy.

 

[Move2CLT]

Happy to finish on LOA 93. :blink:

 

[mikey60]

Mikey;
I saw Ames the other day in the crew room. I mentioned that there were those of you that thought he is also Res. Not so. Ames hasn't been on the board for a while. He has events going on in his household that require his attention (I would agree).

He does send his regards.

CB

Hey cactus tell him I said HI and good luck.

 

[Move2CLT]

These Move2Clt posts are very possibly a company official or one of our former posters, like Metroyet. The entire west posting group have been changing up by the days. You have either company people instigating trouble, or the other losers changing up. Either way, they are morons, and act like they actually were there. This idiot is the prime example. The funny part is Valerie Wells is going to be a huge game changer with this company. The judge heard her, and the following pilots who also downed the jet. That, is the icing on the cake! 😛 😛 😛

I am a company official. My cover has been blown. I need you to tell me your source immediately.

 

[luvthe9]

I am a company official. My cover has been blown. I need you to tell me your source immediately.

Eric Furguson, he's a doulble agent.

 

[mrbreeze]

I believe prior to April 18, 2008 a compromise was possible. However, on April 18, 2008 when USAPA won the election a compromise became no longer an option because their is no legal entity to negotiate for the pre-merger AWA pilots. On April 18, 2008 USAPA became the PHX and LAS-based pilots collective bargaining agent. As such USAPA is required by law to administer the the terms of the pre-merger AWA pilots' contract: the Contract, LOAs, and the Transition Agreement. The Transition Agreement requires USAPA to honor the terms of the Nicolau Award for all parties they represent including those based on either side of the Mississippi River.

If USAPA fails to honor the terms of the PHX-based pilot's contract then USAPA is and will always be DFR.

Chip,
This was about the time where Parker called "time out", bringing things to a stop. It is the same period of time that USAPA presented the DOH list to Parker.....he didn't know what to do, so just called time out. Now things are tied up in the courts, due to lawsuits filed.

If Parker has the ability to stop everything, I think he also has the ability to make a proposal to USAPA that could be put out for a vote.....say, industry standard minus 10% and the company's own proppsal on seniority integration.....something in the middle. So you claim that the West pilots have no voice....maybe so, but Parker is using this to advance his own game. If the company really wants to end this mess they should put out something that has credibility in a vote....one man, one vote. That's fair! And I think there are a lot of pilots on each side that would like to see this deadlock removed, so it doesn't mean that the East with their higher numbers would out vote the West. But no, they want to keep things as they are because they are lining their pockets at the expense of the pilots. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT?

Parker has the ability to be a leader and win the respect of the pilots, however, he is like a pervert and only thinks with the wrong head...in his case, his bank account.

breeze