US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

Agony is not evenly distributed.

USAPA and the company have complete control over the timeline to a contract. The West has nothing to do with it.

With the Federal Injunction sometime soon against usapa. (UAL alpa) Expensive penalties if they don't change. COC in the east contract plus absolutely no bargaining power as a CBA (if they ever had any) will be a distant memory.

Sad part is, the west will be dragged along with the current usapa corruption for their illegal doh mantra.

Thanks to the current east usapa ignorance and arrogance, the company has checkmate on this one.

Otter

 

[Move2CLT]

As Rakesh would say, tis a conundrum. They claim to not be represented by USAPA, but fail to attempt to remove it's leaders. The have a ripe DFR claim when a joint contract is completed, but do everything to prevent that from happening. Hmmmm,,,,,,,,,,

Cleary is our best friend so he stays. And you can have a contract any time you guys want one. Please, don't wait for us.

 

[Res Judicata]

Cleary is our best friend so he stays. And you can have a contract any time you guys want one. Please, don't wait for us.

Exactly, By all means, Please feel free to negotiate a contract. ALPA was so horrible and incompetent you Easties decided you could do this Much MUCH better. I'm not sure I'm seeing any evidence of that....quite the contrary really but since you arrogant experts now "control" negotiations go ahead and help yourselves to a new industry standard contract. DOH and pay restoration are, as always, just around the corner.

 

[A320 Driver]

With the Federal Injunction sometime soon against usapa. (UAL alpa) Expensive penalties if they don't change.

Maybe so.
Just as soon as he figures out how to tell the East pilots to taxi faster, stop writing up maintenance discrepancies, stop the safety campaign and avoid being overturned.

Simple enough. What's taking so long?

Driver B)

 

[Reed Richards]

Cleary is our best friend so he stays. And you can have a contract any time you guys want one. Please, don't wait for us.

Of course.

For me, looks like about 353 retirements on the East in the next 3 years...and that is only age 65 retirements. Probably half those are junior to me. I won't be moving up to a bigger piece of equipment, at least without going on Reserve. What I can expect is to get weekends off sometime in the next two years. Either way I can fly the big metal for my last 2 or 3 years.

Probably a 6% raise coming here in the next few weeks, as well as 3% per year from here on out. Start with Military and PBGC retirement in a few years.

I would love to have a new contact. I don't like our current one. But no problemo with status quo. So no "waiting" going on here. Just an infrequent pang about what could have been.

RR

 

[Claxon]

Maybe so.
Just as soon as he figures out how to tell the East pilots to taxi faster, stop writing up maintenance discrepancies, stop the safety campaign and avoid being overturned.

Simple enough. What's taking so long?

Driver B)

What is taking so long is Franke Air is going to be told to shove it by a judge who is very familiar with their reputation and operational ineptness. This entire mess is the airlines fault. Not the pilots. The judge will very shortly realize it would be foolhardy to try to tell pilots to taxi in any manner other than safely. How does a judge become so stupid as to tell pilots not to write up a maintenance problem? The judge is a very smart individual who realizes the airline is in the top 10 most hated companies in America, and is most likely one of the most toxic work places in America. This is just one more toxic event he will dispense of very shortly. He is most likely disgusted with Parker and his hated airline as most Americans. All would love it if Southwest would gain a toehold in CLT, and open service to PHL and many, many other airports. He would be best serving all Americans if he imposed an injunction on Franke Air, and leave the pilots alone. They actually perform a service. Parker does nothing but impose more punitive fees on honest Americans. He has no other ideas for revenue other than that, basically profits through fees, not clear ideas or business plans. The Franke Air business model should be forced into extinction.The best way would be for the judge to force Parker to either reform, and run the airline in an upstanding fashion, treat employees fairly, or resign. Once Parker is gone, your airline will shine. Get Gordon Bethune to run it.

 

[luvn737s]

If you are so unhappy with Cleary, why did your fearless leader give him a vote of support months ago? There was a legitimate recall attempted by some East pilots, and Eric decided the harm being done to us all preempted any benefit from moving forward.

If the recall was legitimate, they wouldn't have needed any help from the west, nor would they have solicited any (sounds familiar, doesn't it?).

No, I do disagree with most west posters about Cleary's benefit. They are so consumed with the Addington case and DFR 2 so much that they have dismissed any thought of a better solution. They allow Cleary to waste our dues money while betting on the courts to provide a solution that is best found in a representation vote and replacement union.

All that to say that the east must lead the way out and so far they are paralyzed by their fear of "betraying the tribe" of angry F/O's. William Golding couldn't have dreamed up a better story.

 

[luvthe9]

What is taking so long is Franke Air is going to be told to shove it by a judge who is very familiar with their reputation and operational ineptness. This entire mess is the airlines fault. Not the pilots. The judge will very shortly realize it would be foolhardy to try to tell pilots to taxi in any manner other than safely. How does a judge become so stupid as to tell pilots not to write up a maintenance problem? The judge is a very smart individual who realizes the airline is in the top 10 most hated companies in America, and is most likely one of the most toxic work places in America. This is just one more toxic event he will dispense of very shortly. He is most likely disgusted with Parker and his hated airline as most Americans. All would love it if Southwest would gain a toehold in CLT, and open service to PHL and many, many other airports. He would be best serving all Americans if he imposed an injunction on Franke Air, and leave the pilots alone. They actually perform a service. Parker does nothing but impose more punitive fees on honest Americans. He has no other ideas for revenue other than that, basically profits through fees, not clear ideas or business plans. The Franke Air business model should be forced into extinction.The best way would be for the judge to force Parker to either reform, and run the airline in an upstanding fashion, treat employees fairly, or resign. Once Parker is gone, your airline will shine. Get Gordon Bethune to run it.

Wow, you are spot on!!!!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Wow, you are spot on!!!!

Then why no ruling in USAPA's favor yet? Claxon (dumb device which makes loud noises) paints a picture of a slam dunk case for the union, yet no ruling...

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

Wow, you are spot on!!!!

Seriously? :blink:

 

[Reed Richards]

If the recall was legitimate, they wouldn't have needed any help from the west, nor would they have solicited any (sounds familiar, doesn't it?).

It does sound familiar. The West's refusal to participate in the day to day politics of the union (not joining, no reps for a long time) has hurt us all. All I hear is majority this and that, yet you take a pass when you have a chance to make some change. You may not have been able to secure a West Officer, but you sure as heck could have affected the outcome among Easties. I know for a fact there are level headed individuals that understand it is proper, responsible, and required to work with all Domiciles on union affairs, all the while leaving the Seniority Elephant in the room alone. Look what you have now.

No recall is "legitimate" until you get the number of signatures required. Are you are inferring yours would not count?

The day in and day out carping here about not having a say is suspect. It has been three years, perhaps time to participate instead of waiting for USAPA's destruction. That may very well happen anyway due to circumstances not being discussed here, yet. Might as well get some new curtains for the place while you wait for the wrecking ball. If it comes.

RR

 

[OTTER574]

Maybe so.
Just as soon as he figures out how to tell the East pilots to taxi faster, stop writing up maintenance discrepancies, stop the safety campaign and avoid being overturned.

Simple enough. What's taking so long?

Driver B)

Just have patience Driver. That's why I used UAL alpa as an example. That injunction case took 2 1/2 months after the trial to be issued against the UAL alpa/pilots.

Just the threat of if and when the injunction is coming may make it already in place.

Otter

 

[A320 Driver]

If the recall was legitimate, they wouldn't have needed any help from the west, nor would they have solicited any (sounds familiar, doesn't it?).

No, I do disagree with most west posters about Cleary's benefit. They are so consumed with the Addington case and DFR 2 so much that they have dismissed any thought of a better solution. They allow Cleary to waste our dues money while betting on the courts to provide a solution that is best found in a representation vote and replacement union.

All that to say that the east must lead the way out and so far they are paralyzed by their fear of "betraying the tribe" of angry F/O's. William Golding couldn't have dreamed up a better story.

We have always been a fractured group. It seems to me that the West pilots would have been lining up to join a recall effort against Cleary. Anything else is self defeating. Between the two of us there would have been more than enough votes to toss Cleary out. What are the West guys going to do as we "lead the way out"? Sit silently on the sidelines?

I'm bewildered by your post.

Driver :huh:

 

[A320 Driver]

Just have patience Driver. That's why I used UAL alpa as an example. That injunction case took 2 1/2 months after the trial to be issued against the UAL alpa/pilots.

Just the threat of if and when the injunction is coming may make it already in place.

Otter

It's going to be a very interesting read either way, but I am not the least bit concerned by what he writes. I'll still slow taxi the 330 (always have) and if something is broken I'll write it up. I'm sorry if that is not conveinient for the company and the West pilots.

Driver B)

 

[fodase]

We have always been a fractured group. It seems to me that the West pilots would have been lining up to join a recall effort against Cleary. Anything else is self defeating. Between the two of us there would have been more than enough votes to toss Cleary out. What are the West guys going to do as we "lead the way out"? Sit silently on the sidelines?

I'm bewildered by your post.

Driver :huh:

Well I think the majority of the west realizes that usapa will never achieve a contract regardless of who leads it, so we just need to ensure the worst leadership possible, the east pilots need a a little more pain before they stop their jihad.