US Pilots Labor Discussion

[AWE_SHUCKS]

You said: "So those easties claiming that the increase in write-ups is at least partially due to easties having decided to follow the FAR's instead of carrying minor write-ups to a maintenance base means easties are novices.... "
You still have not answered my question, did you ever carry minor discrepancies or did you write up every little thing whenever and wherever it occurred? One question, one answer. No tap dance. What is so hard about being honest for you?. People like you who try and elevate themselves above others have to be very careful because when you find out that the facts of your past don't hold up to the B.S. you spew, you start lying and then you can't stop. You credibility is already shot. You deny calling Airbus pilots trained monkeys but all one has to do is look at your posts.


You said,"Proudly so. Back in those days you had to have a pretty good understanding of the systems, whether you were the engineer, f/o, or captain. Nowadays, it's too much "well, I pushed the buttons (or moved the switches) like the checklist says but it didn't help - now what do I do." You may enjoy being a trained monkey, but I always liked being a pilot... "

Jim

So you are better than me huh? I don't think so. You are much much worse. FELT BAG big deal, I flew the 737 as well and i am as much an expert on it as you. In terms of complexity, it is a cessna 172 compared to a modern glass airplane. The modern airplanes are much more sophisticated and much more capable and as such take longer to master. So while you were out flying from bonfire to bonfire forsaking the new modern adf beacons, aviation advanced without you. Please answer the qustion about the write ups. I'd like you on record on this issue. you are exhausting.


well here is the tap dance i promised,

Talk about throwing stones while inside your glass house. People like you who constantly ask questions and never answer any shouldn't be scolding others. Now run along junior....

Jim

still waiting for an answer.

 

[BoeingBoy]

And you'll keep waiting. I asked you two questions before you asked the first of me and haven't gotten an answer to either yet. If you don't answer questions, glass house, better not throw stones...

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

If you have not gone to www.cactuspilot.com and registered (east or west), here's what you have missed from the CLT Crew News thread:

Pilot1: I know some of this site’s USAPA loyalists have said they and most East pilots would be content working under LOA 93 wages, possibly indefinitely.

In the CLT Crew News (“Pay Parity” @1:50) an East pilot, who identifies himself as an Airbus captain, complained to Mr. Parker about how it feels to be making $20,000.00 less than a West captain. He complains also, of how terrible it makes him feel when he has to fly to PHX (and be near the higher-paid West captions?).

I’m not so sure it is an accurate statement that most East pilots are content working under LOA 93 wages and work rules, but that seems to be the illusion some East pilots on this site are trying to create. The video of this East pilots proves otherwise, that (at least this captain) is not at all happy making $20,000.00 less than a West captain.

Is it Mr. Parker’s fault that the East walked out of joint negotiations? Is it Mr. Parker’s fault that the East created USAPA? Is it the West’s fault that USAPA has failed to represent them? Is it the West’s fault that – even though USAPA said it was prepared to be sued by the West for DFR – that USAPA has not been able to attain a contract with DOH? Is it the West’s fault that USAPA said it didn’t need the West to get a contract, which effectively sent the message to the West that your support is not required (or desired?).

Perhaps some of these East pilots should not be looking to Mr. Parker or the West for answers to their problems, but they should be looking for answers from USAPA.. . after all, it was only USAPA who made the original promises of DOH to the East pilots.

Pilot2 (in repsonse to the above): Come on Xxxxxx. Lets get the facts straight. I made 181K last year (W-2 as proof) vs what Sully (aka Hero of the Hudson) testified before Congress made 116K and had less than 11 days off a month.

That is 65K less. Plus I had four weeks vacation, work rules, full DH pay, Trip and duty rigs, full pay/credit for cancelled trips. My largest bonus is industry respect while working with professionals having the same level of integrity.

If you haven't come over to www.cactuspilot.com to join the banter, please come on over.

In addition this pilots has missed the mark. A Delta airlines contract plus 1% was offered but Cleary and Mowery had to swallow the Nic. They rejected it offhanded without informing the BPR. So much for USAPA transparency.

BTW I just finished AQP and the East Grd instructor (very professional) informed us that Doug Parker attended the check airman managers meeting and informed them that just to keep up with West attrition (no growth) they need to hire between 200-250 pilots a month starting in two years. Yes, the West pilots attrition begins but unlike the East attrition. The West attrition is above 95% Captain seats.

IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO JOIN US AT CACTUSPILOT.COM, PLEASE DROP ON BY. EVERYONE IS WELCOME!

 

[BoeingBoy]

just to keep up with West attrition (no growth) they need to hire between 200-250 pilots a month starting in two years.

I hope something in there is a typo - 100% turnover every 6-7 months sounds unlikely.

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

I hope something in there is a typo - 100% turnover every 6-7 months sounds unlikely.

Jim

Jim;
Just re-posting an interesting exchange. I know both guys, and doubt that they would make this stuff up.

Would love to have you over at cactuspilot Jim, if you are so inclined. A voice of reason is always a breath of fresh air.

CB

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Jim;
Just re-posting an interesting exchange. I know both guys, and doubt that they would make this stuff up.

Would love to have you over at cactuspilot Jim, if you are so inclined. A voice of reason is always a breath of fresh air.

CB

JIM the " THE VOICE OF REASON" and WEST attrition 200-250per month, that peyoteboy53 is right on top of it!

 

[cactusboy53]

JIM the " THE VOICE OF REASON" and WEST attrition 200-250per month, that peyoteboy53 is right on top of it!

Jamie;
Even you and your crack pipe are welcome there. Come over, the water is just fine!

CB

 

[Pi brat]

Jamie;
Even you and your crack pipe are welcome there. Come over, the water is just fine!

CB

Hey Jamie,

Old CB thinks MM is you! What a hoot! If they only knew..........

 

[Pi brat]

IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN THE TIME TO JOIN US AT CACTUSPILOT.COM, PLEASE DROP ON BY. EVERYONE IS WELCOME!

Yes, yes................all should tune into KH's, the suspended pilot's, with pay, delusional website!

Come on CB, don't be a stooge!

 

[cactusboy53]

Yes, yes................all should tune into KH's, the suspended pilot's, with pay, delusional website!

Come on CB, don't be a stooge!

Oh yes, what stooges we are. A union that is so litigious is is quite in the RED (or soon to be so). A union legal counsel that has taken all of that money and is moving on to the next client. A union leadership that is more concerned about bedroom secrets & assault coverups than it is about its membership. A union that knows how to do NOTHING but delay, and failed to keep any of its promises. A union that seeths such anger that it makes up false accusations to persecute any opposition. A union so effective that your CLT pilots show up to the crew news and weep to Doug about how pay parity is the right thing to do.

I don't know how you could classify cactuspilot as a delusional website. It has all court documents straight from the courts (not just the snipits that support your case). Oh BTW, KH is NOT SUSPENDED. But you are right it is PAID LEAVE. Nice work (so to speak) if you can get it. Hey, why don't you call Mikey and see if he's spoken to the FBI about the "ID Theft" lately.

USAPA is swirling down the preverbial toilet like the big turd it is. Round & round she goes where she'll end up floating no one knows....

 

[mikey60]

I was referring to a certain Us Airways A330 female pilot of late. The title sky king totally belongs to you.

Otter

A recovery shot only Parker is capable of not you.

 

[luvthe9]

do.

I don't know how you could classify cactuspilot as a delusional website. It has all court documents straight from the courts (not just the snipits that support your case

So does the USAPA website, I like that one better.

 

[traderjake]

So does the USAPA website, I like that one better.

If I could log on to the USAPA website where would I find the USAPA members forum?

 

[nycbusdriver]

Well, well, well. Two Easties - one claims Brookman said that to "scare his guys off" and the other says Brookman was right but then ignores what Brookman said. "There are no snap backs or provisions for the pilot group to recoup any contractual provisions, benefits or pay during for the next 5 years, and realistically under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, it may take up to 2 additional years to negotiate any changes to the collective bargaining agreement."

Hmmm - NO provisions to recoup ANY benefits or pay until a new contract is negotiated....

Jim

Will you go get a new prescription in your glasses.

"There are no snap backs or provisions for the pilot group to recoup any contractual provisions, benefits or pay during for the next 5 years..."

For the enfeebled, I will put it another way. The pilots cannot recoup those things DURING THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD CLEARLY INDICATED BY THE START AND STOP DATES.

It does not say that we do not recoup those things after the CLEARLY INDICATED STOP DATE OF DECEMBER 31, 2009.

 

[A320 Driver]

If I could log on to the USAPA website where would I find the USAPA members forum?

I thought that was against your religion.