US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

Brookman seems to think otherwise:

Deficient Areas of LOA 93 Transformation Plan
1. Duration the amendable date of LOA 93 is December 31,2009. There are no snap backs or provisions for the pilot group to recoup any contractual provisions, benefits or pay during for the next 5 years, and realistically under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, it may take up to 2 additional years to negotiate any changes to the collective bargaining agreement.

And this was info based on what Don B gave him!!!!

Well, Brookman is right. No snap back DURING the five years, and no new contract for probably two years after.

Read what IT SAYS, not what you think it says.

 

[Move2CLT]

What really cracks me up is How DUI Doug say's how easy he breathes now with our cash position, this company is so in debt it is actually worse than the US GOVT, heck GREECE is in a better financial status than this place and "TEAM TEMPE" flaunt's their success! And you actually think DUI DOUG will put enough money on the table for a joint CBA! DREAM ON! My advice start job hunting especially if your a WESTIE! It will be an ASSET SALE REAL SOON!

Mutatis Claxon Mutandis

 

[mikey60]

Coming from a sky-goddess-king like you...I'll take that as a compliment.

Another stupid statement, "goddess-king". goddess implies female and king male. Maybe its something you picked up on one of you trips to the Congo.

 

[OTTER574]

Excuse me.

The day before that 1998 parity+1 contract was signed, the US Airways pilots were FAR from the cellar pay wise.

But, you know who WAS the definitive cellar that day? YOU!

It seems usair of old (living in the past) has ex pilots spread all over the place finding jobs when they were furloughed from the almighty powerhouse usair...Go figure...AWA, VA, SPIRIT and JETBLUE to name a few.

So your past gig is over. = (loa93)

Btw, next time you run into mike cleary, be sure and pat him on the back for a job well done?? in federal court recently...🙂

Otter

 

[BoeingBoy]

Brookman was smart enough to try and warn his guys not to vote for LOA 93.This was his take on it to scare his guys off

Well, Brookman is right. No snap back DURING the five years, and no new contract for probably two years after.

Read what IT SAYS, not what you think it says.

Well, well, well. Two Easties - one claims Brookman said that to "scare his guys off" and the other says Brookman was right but then ignores what Brookman said. "There are no snap backs or provisions for the pilot group to recoup any contractual provisions, benefits or pay during for the next 5 years, and realistically under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, it may take up to 2 additional years to negotiate any changes to the collective bargaining agreement."

Hmmm - NO provisions to recoup ANY benefits or pay until a new contract is negotiated....

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

Even at that I sap down and take it easy. LOA 93 isn't great but I've seen worse times.


Bob

Bob;
You don't have to settle for LOA 93. If you decide that you have had enough (and understand that the Nicolau is the only legal seniority list), WE can then move forward (like the new Delta), and perhaps get a wage we deserve.

It simply a matter of time and money.

 

[OTTER574]

Another stupid statement, "goddess-king". goddess implies female and king male. Maybe its something you picked up on one of you trips to the Congo.

I was referring to a certain Us Airways A330 female pilot of late. The title sky king totally belongs to you.

Otter

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

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[AWE_SHUCKS]

Well, well, well. Two Easties - one claims Brookman said that to "scare his guys off" and the other says Brookman was right but then ignores what Brookman said. "There are no snap backs or provisions for the pilot group to recoup any contractual provisions, benefits or pay during for the next 5 years, and realistically under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, it may take up to 2 additional years to negotiate any changes to the collective bargaining agreement."

Hmmm - NO provisions to recoup ANY benefits or pay until a new contract is negotiated....

Jim

You said: "So those easties claiming that the increase in write-ups is at least partially due to easties having decided to follow the FAR's instead of carrying minor write-ups to a maintenance base means easties are novices.... "
You still have not answered my question, did you ever carry minor discrepancies or did you write up every little thing whenever and wherever it occurred? One question, one answer. No tap dance. What is so hard about being honest for you?. People like you who try and elevate themselves above others have to be very careful because when you find out that the facts of your past don't hold up to the B.S. you spew, you start lying and then you can't stop. You credibility is already shot. You deny calling Airbus pilots trained monkeys but all one has to do is look at your posts.


You said,"Proudly so. Back in those days you had to have a pretty good understanding of the systems, whether you were the engineer, f/o, or captain. Nowadays, it's too much "well, I pushed the buttons (or moved the switches) like the checklist says but it didn't help - now what do I do." You may enjoy being a trained monkey, but I always liked being a pilot... "

Jim

So you are better than me huh? I don't think so. You are much much worse. FELT BAG big deal, I flew the 737 as well and i am as much an expert on it as you. In terms of complexity, it is a cessna 172 compared to a modern glass airplane. The modern airplanes are much more sophisticated and much more capable and as such take longer to master. So while you were out flying from bonfire to bonfire forsaking the new modern adf beacons, aviation advanced without you. Please answer the qustion about the write ups. I'd like you on record on this issue. you are exhausting.

 

[OTTER574]

You said: "So those easties claiming that the increase in write-ups is at least partially due to easties having decided to follow the FAR's instead of carrying minor write-ups to a maintenance base means easties are novices.... "
You still have not answered my question, did you ever carry minor discrepancies or did you write up every little thing whenever and wherever it occurred? One question, one answer. No tap dance. What is so hard about being honest for you?. People like you who try and elevate themselves above others have to be very careful because when you find out that the facts of your past don't hold up to the B.S. you spew, you start lying and then you can't stop. You credibility is already shot. You deny calling Airbus pilots trained monkeys but all one has to do is look at your posts.


You said,"Proudly so. Back in those days you had to have a pretty good understanding of the systems, whether you were the engineer, f/o, or captain. Nowadays, it's too much "well, I pushed the buttons (or moved the switches) like the checklist says but it didn't help - now what do I do." You may enjoy being a trained monkey, but I always liked being a pilot... "

Jim

So you are better than me huh? I don't think so. You are much much worse. FELT BAG big deal, I flew the 737 as well and i am as much an expert on it as you. In terms of complexity, it is a cessna 172 compared to a modern glass airplane. The modern airplanes are much more sophisticated and much more capable and as such take longer to master. So while you were out flying from bonfire to bonfire forsaking the new modern adf beacons, aviation advanced without you. Please answer the qustion about the write ups. I'd like you on record on this issue. you are exhausting.

Hate to break the news to you, but these modern glass airplanes we're flying tell the owner/operator everything within reason we as good/bad pilots are doing and not doing.

FOQA and the known data takes on a whole new meaning doesn't it?

Otter

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

Hate to break the news to you, but these modern glass airplanes we're flying tell the owner/operator everything within reason we as good/bad pilots are doing and not doing.

FOQA and the known data takes on a whole new meaning doesn't it?

Otter

I think some things are easier and some are harder. Older systems were less intricate and easier to troubleshoot for me. Multiple failures producing cascading ecams are not that straightforward as read and do single failures, they are overly complex in their automatic, behind the scene actions and very much push you outside the loop. Kind of like "electric" vs "electronic" if you know what i mean.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You still have not answered my question

Talk about throwing stones while inside your glass house. People like you who constantly ask questions and never answer any shouldn't be scolding others. Now run along junior....

Jim

 

[OTTER574]

I think some things are easier and some are harder. Older systems were less intricate and easier to troubleshoot for me. Multiple failures producing cascading ecams are not that straightforward as read and do single failures, they are overly complex in their automatic, behind the scene actions and very much push you outside the loop. Kind of like "electric" vs "electronic" if you know what i mean.

Air France high altitude upset and Qantas multiple ecams come to mind.

If it's not Boeing, I'm not going use to be my saying...now I've no choice..🙂 (Airbus)

Otter

 

[Move2CLT]

Read what IT SAYS, not what you think it says.

I think you need to heed your own advice there boo boo.

And you sisters out east need to get your story straight on this.

 

[Move2CLT]

I'm not against accepting a gift.....if you would like to donate? I guess we got lucky. Heck every couple of months I even make a good landing. I thank DAL and UAL for helping us out. That being said every other labor group at this airline thought that parity plus 1 made us the highest paid pilots in the industry and they were pissed at us.


Bob

Me neither. A gift is a gift. But tell the other easties they had nothing to do with getting it. If there ever was a definition of something falling into one's lap, this would be it.