US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fodase]

LOA 93 is in and usapa lost all of it. Management and usapa have both asked for executive sessions which will delay the results. Usapa requested their session to try and change the result and management did so to delay the ruling until after the court in CLT rules on the injunction to keep the beasties inline.

 

[Pi brat]

The company made the accusation that an illegal job action was taking place. The court is in the process of determining whether the accusation is accurate or not. I don't recall the company saying that people were going to be terminated or go to jail based on the accusation, do you?

Contrast that with some easties accusing westies of "theft" and saying that they were going to jail before any law enforcement agency had investigated or anything was filed in a court of law. The term "lynch mob" comes to mind...

Maybe even you can understand the difference now...

Jim

OMG you are full of crap. Its the same thing and I spoke up on here about convicting the west guys before the facts were out.

The company told the rest of the employees they would not get their bonus because of illegal job actions by pilots. Not "alleged , not "we feel are..." but flat out illegal before a court has ruled. Period.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi;
I'm going to have to go with Jim on this one. There was a crew news segment where one East captain accused the Leonidas group of getting his wife's secure information in the alleged "data theft". How exactly would that be possible? USAPA is the king of crying wolf. That is a fact.

CB

Shocker. Two wrongs don't make right. Do unto others.....

Posts like this make you look like Res judge Ans dreaming of CLT. Not good.

 

[luvn737s]

How do you figure that one. That would almost be as good as hurricane Irene was USAPA's fault. Looking forward to your usual in-depth analysis.

As long as the airline has to carry around the dead weight of the east pilots and their inefficient contract (even of pay rates are low) the other employees will suffer.

Every employee group would cheer the replacement of USAPA with a union run by adults with a commitment to negotiate in good faith and who could actually accomplish some incremental benefit.

Would I be wrong in assuming the east pilot's predominant opinion of any other employee group is "To hell with 'em!"?

 

[BoeingBoy]

The company told the rest of the employees they would not get their bonus because of illegal job actions by pilots. Not "alleged , not "we feel are..." but flat out illegal before a court has ruled. Period.

Dense comes to mind....

Yes, the company said that there was an illegal job action going on. And which individual(s) did the company say was/were going to jail? Being terminated? Are you denying that easties were saying that westies were guilty AND going to jail? Before an investigation was complete? Before there were any legal charges? Before a trial? Isn't that exactly what you spoke out against?

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. I know you're spring loaded to say someone, anyone is as bad if not worse than your pals but try to learn from the squirrel...

Jim

 

[CallawayGolf]

OMG you are full of crap. Its the same thing and I spoke up on here about convicting the west guys before the facts were out.

The company told the rest of the employees they would not get their bonus because of illegal job actions by pilots. Not "alleged , not "we feel are..." but flat out illegal before a court has ruled. Period.

Management doesn't need a court to determine that an illegal work action is underway. They have the data and the independent analysis. The court just needs to affirm that the company's data warrants an injunction. This is a completely different situation than USAPA shooting blanks in the dark with nothing more than a gut feeling and an unrestrained hatred for west pilots. One is based on indisputable facts and the other is based on vaporous conjecture at best.

 

[Claxon]

Management doesn't need a court to determine that an illegal work action is underway. They have the data and the independent analysis. The court just needs to affirm that the company's data warrants an injunction. This is a completely different situation than USAPA shooting blanks in the dark with nothing more than a gut feeling and an unrestrained hatred for west pilots. One is based on indisputable facts and the other is based on vaporous conjecture at best.

Franke Air is absolutely disgusting. One of the most hated companies in America. Only thieves think others are always stealing. Only liars accuse others of lying. Franke Air is always accusing its' good employees. It is time for this company to get Gordon Bethune and sweep all floors clean in Tempe of the infection of Franke Air. Put in more cameras Franke Air. This time, put them where the real theft takes place, the management side.

 

[im back..!!]

LOA 93 is in and usapa lost all of it. Management and usapa have both asked for executive sessions which will delay the results. Usapa requested their session to try and change the result and management did so to delay the ruling until after the court in CLT rules on the injunction to keep the beasties inline.

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Win or lose, im ready for either. I just want a ruling...

By the way, isnt the 7day wait over for the company's decision on the 2 terminations?

 

[luvthe9]

Watching these scabs implode, (as correctly predicted years ago by the West pilots) has made my week. The LOA 93 beatdown combined with the injunction bi***slap will make this just that much more enjoyable!

Hey Easties, go rewatch the you tube vids from the first dog and pony show starring the original, culpable USAPA scabs entitled "USAPA can't take the heat"...we told you so.

Here's to 5 more years of LOA 93!!

Metroyet, the injunction, according to you was to take place weeks ago? What is the problem? You will never get your Nic, we promise you that!

 

[luvthe9]

Put the crack pipe down Mut. I am cactusboy53. Res Judicata is someone else. Hey, did you know that "res judicata" is Latin for: "a matter [already] judged". I think that's funny, don't you?

Would that be Res Judicata Wakaspankata? 😀 😀 😀

 

[Pi brat]

As long as the airline has to carry around the dead weight of the east pilots and their inefficient contract (even of pay rates are low) the other employees will suffer.

Every employee group would cheer the replacement of USAPA with a union run by adults with a commitment to negotiate in good faith and who could actually accomplish some incremental benefit.

Would I be wrong in assuming the east pilot's predominant opinion of any other employee group is "To hell with 'em!"?

You would be, but why stop now?

Are least you are always good for a laugh.

 

[Pi brat]

Management doesn't need a court to determine that an illegal work action is underway. They have the data and the independent analiysis. The court just needs to affirm that the company's data warrants an injunction. This is a completely different situation than USAPA shooting blanks in the dark with nothing more than a gut feeling and an unrestrained hatred for west pilots. One is based on indisputable facts and the other is based on vaporous conjecture at best.

Amazing. And from the great Christian man no less.

 

[Move2CLT]

Amazing. And from the great Christian man no less.

He's spot on Pi. Calm down.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Amazing. And from the great Christian man no less.

What's amazing or untruthful about this? The FBI isn't going to come in and evaluate the east operations to determine facts and illegal conduct. It's up to the company to gather and present facts which they did. How blind or biased would the judge have to be to not concur that the status quo condition has changed? Logically, what would the company gain from fabricating these claims and data? The JCBA isn't going anywhere as long as USAPA refuses the NIC so why claim a slowdown exists and spend millions on a law suit that gains them nothing? Even if the company gets the injunction they may not get damages, so that's a lot of money and effort to return ops to where they already (if you believe no job action is going on). The facts are clear, it's just a matter of time now.

 

[BoeingBoy]

It's OK to play judge as long as you don't place executioner?

You're talking about the easties - judge, jury, and executioner. The company went to a real judge to get a ruling, or are you denying that too?

Now, I've asked you a number of questions and you haven't answered a single one. What's the matter? Afraid the answers will expose you for a fraud?

Jim

PS - why don't you educate yourself and go sit in court for awhile. Count the number of times the DA or plaintiffs lawyer uses the word "alledged". You'll find that the answer is zero, yet the judge or jury decides guilt, not the DA or plaintiffs lawyer.