US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

I have always found Boeing Boy disecting any conversation, whether it be East or West......splitting hairs, so to speak, but NEVER taking a stand or offering an opinion on a subject.

Wrong - I have offered my opinion on many things - the Nic, the injunction request, the DJ request, the LOA 93 grievance, and more. Not knowing that is the price you pay for being a newbie. Do you expect me to put my opinions about those things in every post just for you, when most here already know my opinions? I'd note that that's contrary to most easties, who state their opinions as carrying the weight of facts and belittle anyone who disagrees with them.

You speak of the old ALPA board, and what you claim tells me you didn't pay much attention to it. I definitely expressed opinions and almost always said why I held those opinions.

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Don't give up your day job and hang a shingle out front. The statute of limitations isn't a clear line where one side is unripe and the other ripe. There have been DFR cases where the judge ruled that the plaintiffs knew the union's intentions and that that knowledge started the statute of limitations clock so time had run out to file even though a final product hadn't been reached. There have been cases where the judge ruled, like the 9th in Addington, that the end product starts the statute of limitations clock running. Until a judge rules, there's no way of knowing which way that judge will rule. The only way to get a ruling is to file the suit.

Obviously, the best result for the West would have been for the 9th to affirm the lower court ruling. But the second best is getting the 9th to spell out exactly when a DFR suit will be ripe. The new "dream team" or the next after them won't be able to argue that the West filed too late next time.

Heck - Seham has even argued both sides in a single case - that the plaintiffs were too early because the case wasn't ripe AND too late because the statute of limitations had expired. If the West had waited, I'm sure you would have been in the chorus, led by Seham, singing 'The Statute of Limitations Has Run Out"...

Jim

So now your an EXPERT LEGAL ANAL------YIST, JIM one would only hope you get another life(won't happen), So state your , FACTUAL CASES( aint read one) Well the bottom line is, NAUGHLER, aint going to help the WEST, and what do you think the next four years hold for the WEST with no CBA(NO LIST) which translates into DUI DOUG OPTIONS, FRAGMENTATION, ASSET SALES, ETC. The funny thing is "WAKE EXCUSED THE COMPANY" now if your so concerned about limitations surely you have involved them, none of us are buying it, the fix got overturned, now "DAMAGE CONTROL", no one thought USAPA would appeal, thought we would just move on and accept another unions policy! BS! JIM your statute of limitations as being a hater has worn out, This operation will be sold off in pieces long before it is ever integrated, look at the financials, DEBT DON'T LIE! BTW VIAGRA might be a good remedy for you!

 

[Res Judicata]

You are an uneducated individual.

Billions and Billions

I'll let you do the math. 122 mail/yr minimum. Multiplied by 7 years minimum. Compound interest at a meager 6% for 15 years, (prime afo retirement date) .

How many zeros is that? And that is just using the kirby proposal...we all know we could have gotten more. All to delay the nic. Award...pure genius.

 

[No Land Green]

. Compound interest at a meager 6% for 15 years,

Who's paying 6% compound interest? I want to know, I have a ton of cash to invest.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Who's paying 6% compound interest? I want to know, I have a ton of cash to invest.

Doesn't even matter. Over the course of the two bankruptcies the pilots gave up about $1.4 Billion/year. Multiply that by 7 and you have almost $10 Billion just since late 2004 (forget the "minor" amount lost from 2002 through 2004). Indeed, Billions and Billions...and growing every day.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

The funny thing is "WAKE EXCUSED THE COMPANY" now if your so concerned about limitations surely you have involved them

Yep, keep that day job. At the time, and still, the company had done nothing to even indicate that they might go along with USAPA's DOH list. So under no ruling on ripeness was a suit against the company ripe.

Keep clicking those heels together though - maybe you'll end up in fragmentation fantasy land some day... Just make sure your debts are paid off - you'll be looking at unemployment not long thereafter.

Jim

 

[No Land Green]

Doesn't even matter. Over the course of the two bankruptcies the pilots gave up about $1.4 Billion/year. Multiply that by 7 and you have almost $10 Billion just since late 2004 (forget the "minor" amount lost from 2002 through 2004). Indeed, Billions and Billions...and growing every day.

Jim

WHOOPPEEEE on your post above.

I want to know who is paying 6% compound interest as quoted by a West Pilot. Obviously you do not have the answer and he/she doesn't either. Maybe because there is NOT anyone who will.

BTW, you are cresting on 14,000 posts. You post on this web board all hours of the day and night. Do you have electrodes hooked up to your body that wake you up out of a dead sleep when someone posts on this board so you can respond? I still LMAO at Black Swan's post in regards to your Trailer Command Center...........Life of a retired East Pilot..........amazing.........Have a nice day in your retirement world.

 

[AWE_SHUCKS]

WHOOPPEEEE on your post above.

I want to know who is paying 6% compound interest as quoted by a West Pilot. Obviously you do not have the answer and he/she doesn't either. Maybe because there is NOT anyone who will.

BTW, you are cresting on 14,000 posts. You post on this web board all hours of the day and night. Do you have electrodes hooked up to your body that wake you up out of a dead sleep when someone posts on this board so you can respond? I still LMAO at Black Swan's post in regards to your Trailer Command Center...........Life of a retired East Pilot..........amazing.........Have a nice day in your retirement world.

yea!

 

[Res Judicata]

Who's paying 6% compound interest? I want to know, I have a ton of cash to invest.

A conservative market return over time. Something I suspect you already knew.

 

[Phoenix]

Who's paying 6% compound interest? I want to know, I have a ton of cash to invest.

Bernie sombody... Madoff, I think.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I want to know who is paying 6% compound interest as quoted by a West Pilot. Obviously you do not have the answer and he/she doesn't either. Maybe because there is NOT anyone who will.

Unless you're willing to assume pretty high risk, no one is paying 6% compound interest. You can currently get well above a 6% return on a number of income producing investment vehicles, but there's no guarantee what the future return will be.

My point was that you don't need any compounded interest for the money the east has lost and is losing to be in the billions and billions. Hopefully you're not denying that...

Jim

 

[Black Swan]

Still no answer I see. Just more bs from BS...

I gave you one softball and you jumped on it as expected. But you have ignored the fastball since you have no answer for that... 😛

Jim

More obscure references to baseball. Throw your argument on the frozen pay, and we will knock it out of the park. What is your fastball? So far there have been references to motherships and balls. No contract issues at all. Kasher is coming to town shortly, he will make it clear to all how FROZEN to a date, means the deal is OVER at that date. Not amenable. If it were to be AMENABLE, it would have said AMENABLE. It said FROZEN.

 

[Black Swan]

Doesn't even matter. Over the course of the two bankruptcies the pilots gave up about $1.4 Billion/year. Multiply that by 7 and you have almost $10 Billion just since late 2004 (forget the "minor" amount lost from 2002 through 2004). Indeed, Billions and Billions...and growing every day.

Jim

And we drew the line at the Nicolau Award. The giving stops right there. Over


Here is some reading for you, a fastball discussion on pay freezes you might find interesting......GOOGLE IT YOURSELF!



Salary Freeze

Salary Freeze definition :
A temporary halt to increases in salary due to financial difficulties experienced by a company.



Salary Freeze

What Does Salary Freeze Mean?
The action of a company suspending salary increases for a period of time.
Investopedia explains Salary Freeze
A salary freeze typically occurs when a company is experiencing financial difficulties. It may choose to freeze salaries for a while in order to minimize layoffs. Once the company is in a better financial position, the salary freeze would likely be lifted.
Filed Under: Careers

WHERE DOES IT SAY EMPLOYEES NEGOTIATE? NOTICE THE REFERENCE TO A PERIOD OF TIME! KASHER KNOWS THE TERM WELL, THE PAY CUT WAS GIVEN IN A TIME OF DISTRESS, AS TERMED ABOVE, TO BE LIFTED IN BETTER TIMES, NOW!
Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/salaryfreeze.asp#ixzz1YJcCxK5b

 

[apollo]

How convenient, the mail box area is the same for,

army of lyingitas and reform USAPA.com

Another similar business they have at the same address, they make strange bedfellows.

Urban Bone

 

[prechilill]

And we drew the line at the Nicolau Award. The giving stops right there. Over

Parker commends you for your wisdom. LOA 93 is a good contract for both parties and Doug understands your pain. You are helping to build a better future or all, Jim identified billions in savings. As a pilot with nearly 25 years left I say THANK YOU!