US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

What's next, Nosuma-pollo - "I rest my case"? It's sad that you have to keep changing your alias - can't take the heat and all that. Maybe I'll ask the mods how many names one poster can get... 😛

Jim

I thought you WERE the moderator! 😀

 

[UtterlyUdder]

Sounds like I've outclassed you and you've gone into hiding. I see your posts and respond to them unopposed which is fine by me. Your retorts lacked substance and you made more of a fool of yourself than proved your point.


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You have no class! You can't possibly outclass anyone.

 

[Move2CLT]

Sounds like I've outclassed you and you've gone into hiding. I see your posts and respond to them unopposed which is fine by me. Your retorts lacked substance and you made more of a fool of yourself than proved your point.


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You have no class! You can't possibly outclass anyone.

Ya, good one. Now I have to block you. Especially because you can't handle quote tags.

 

[Move2CLT]

Dude, the same letter is on the USAPA website - sheesh!

Dude, what's this about:

Information about your Union you won’t hear from USAPA
Communications Chairman, Scott Theuer

Sheesh!

 

[Move2CLT]

Yeah, and we notice that when Move2 is flapping, Luvn737 s is absent also. And NoYellowneck and the rest of your crew.

And did you notice Parker is never in the office as well when I post?

 

[LSS]

And did you notice Parker is never in the office as well when I post?

Movin2Nowhere...

No body cares!

 

[Move2CLT]

Movin2Nowhere...

No body cares!

That's pure BS LSS - ALL you easties care and you care a ton!!!!

You have me pegged for 5 - 6 different names and you guys track the number of posts I make. You block me and yet you make the effort to respond to my posts.

Not only do you care, you obsess over me.

Kind of creepy as to how much you guys care.

 

[cleardirect]

Question....

Let's say the you agreed to a binding contract to buy a house and you sign on the dotted line. After that agreement, you find out that you had to give up much more than what was fair, due to a change in the contract language which was unforseen. (15 yr windfall, against ALPA merger policy). Then you find out that the whole contract was flawed from the beginning due to a misrepresentation in the contract...the house is in a flood plain. (bogus info as far as the Mid Atlantic pilots)

Would you go ahead...even though you invested $9 billion and honor this screwed up contract? Hell no.....you would demand fairness and a return for your investment if not able to cancel the whole contract.

breeze

The "contract" changed in the 90's. It was not unforeseen. The merger policy was changed way BEFORE you signed the "contract". But if you guys were to irresponsible or stupid to read or understand the "contract" that is your problem not ours. As far as a "windfall" the people that determine if it is a windfall or not said that it was not. Your opinion is just that your opinion it has nothing to do with "contract" law.

The only flaw is the east pilots failure to live up to your end of the contract.

If your "house" is in a flood plan it was your responsible to find that out. MDA pilots were furloughed, end of story. That case is DEAD, no activity since July 2010. Get over it. Ever hear of the term "Buyer beware"? You guys had every opportunity and the experience to know the process and the rules. Blame yourself the contract was not unforeseen your dishonesty and lack of integrity is what was unforeseen.

 

[Move2CLT]

The "contract" changed in the 90's. It was not unforeseen. The merger policy was changed way BEFORE you signed the "contract". But if you guys were to irresponsible or stupid to read or understand the "contract" that is your problem not ours. As far as a "windfall" the people that determine if it is a windfall or not said that it was not. Your opinion is just that your opinion it has nothing to do with "contract" law.

The only flaw is the east pilots failure to live up to your end of the contract.

If your "house" is in a flood plan it was your responsible to find that out. MDA pilots were furloughed, end of story. That case is DEAD, no activity since July 2010. Get over it. Ever hear of the term "Buyer beware"? You guys had every opportunity and the experience to know the process and the rules. Blame yourself the contract was not unforeseen your dishonesty and lack of integrity is what was unforeseen.

Breeze forgot to point out that not only did the east move the process into arbitration unilaterally, but they picked Nicolau first!

Pesky details.

 

[USA320Pilot]

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[nic4us]

You were a national carrier, not a major.

We had the ATSB loan carrying us through along with GECAS and Airbus.

Funny if HP was so rich and bountiful, how come they had no money for the merger?

US East with Lakefield and Seabury and Associates raised all the money,

And you see US had the better name recognition, hence why it was kept.

And when Wolfe was hear, we won the highest ranking for service, can you say the same?

FAA never threatened to shut down US and never had the hand in every aspect of the operation and we were not limited to grow, cant say the same about HP, no can ya?

1. AWA reached Major status in 1990 when annual revenue exceeded 1 billion. Was a Major airline for 15 years prior to aquiring USAirways in 2005.

2. AWA had money for the merger, something AAA did not. It is called market capitalization. AWA stock bought AWA something to the tune of 38% of LCC, and AWA stockholders were by far the largest single investor in the merged airline. Can't say anything even close to that for AAA.

3. Seabury was instrumental in raising the cash, as was Lakefield in putting the deal together, however, you are being a onesided idiot if you think the AWA BOD and executive team had nothing to do with making the deal happen. After all, who ended up owning and running the airline?

4. Yes, US had better name recognition. Keeping the name was the single greatest mistake made in AWA's aquisition.

5. AWA won numerous JD Power awards in consecutive years of 1997,98,99 or something of that time frame, beating out the golden child of the industry at the time, which was the worst to first Continental, led by Bethune.

6. The FAA did not have to threaten to shut down AAA, with the frequency of hull loss you guys were racking up, you would have been out of airplanes soon enough. Can't say that about AWA now can ya?

 

[nic4us]

Well, I beg to differ......I was there. I was hired as no. 151 pilot in 1984 with AWA. Your/mine airline at the time hired scabs, military types who couldn't upgrade so upgrade went out of senority and it was the "Peoples Express" way......multiple job functions. Yeah.....way to run a airline......NOT.......I left and went to Usair. For twenty + years made more money than you could possibly try to duplicate. I can sit on LOA 93 and you have no chance to even come close. So get off your high horse and go out and try to catch up....

So...when did LOA93 go into effect? What year is it now anyway?

The ultimate irony of this which airline was better to work for arguement astounds me.

Here is the bottom line question to answere that arguement.

If your AAA job was sooooo great....then why are the scabs at usapa trying to steal my position at LCC?

ummm..could it be that things changed in the industry, and your once lucrative sought after job went bye bye, while the little carrier that hired scabs and had their pilots doing dispatch duty, morphed into something big enough to pick up the shattered pieces of your shattered career?

 

[LSS]

That's pure BS LSS - ALL you easties care and you care a ton!!!!

You have me pegged for 5 - 6 different names and you guys track the number of posts I make. You block me and yet you make the effort to respond to my posts.

Not only do you care, you obsess over me.

Kind of creepy as to how much you guys care.

You need to take a deep breath and calm down... I don't have you pegged for anything except an over the top poster... I don't track the number of your insane posts, nor do I care what you have to say. Like I said... no one cares what you have to say nor who you really are or are not, as you add nothing constructive to any discussion.

 

[Pi brat]

2. AWA had money for the merger, something AAA did not. It is called market capitalization. AWA stock bought AWA something to the tune of 38% of LCC, and AWA stockholders were by far the largest single investor in the merged airline. Can't say anything even close to that for AAA.

That's a big stretch Nic. Market cap doesn't buy anything. It might help you borrow more money to buy something, but it is not cash. Go to Boeing and say "Hey, my market cap(today) is 3 billion, give me 10 777s" and see what they say.

"What Does Market Capitalization Mean?
The total dollar market value of all of a company's outstanding shares. Market capitalization is calculated by multiplying a company's shares outstanding by the current market price of one share. The investment community uses this figure to determining a company's size, as opposed to sales or total asset figures."


The AWA stockholders were not investors in the merger, they were investors in AWA that allowed their previous investment to be rolled over into the new company. The AWA stockholders money most like had already been spent as AWA had an ATSB loan and Parker and Kirby said you guys were going to face a cash crunch. Heck, even you merger committee did. From the Nic:

"The America West Representatives concede that the scheduled
repayments of the Company's ATSB loan created potential liquidity
problems for the airline."

The AWA stockholders received stock in the new company because they owned stock in AWA when the merger happened and AWA was solvent. Like AWA pilot, the merger worked out well for them.

Additional cash had to be raised to do the merger and it came from outside sources.

You guys throw this "saved you" stuff around as if we should kiss the ground you walk on. YOU didn't have anything to do with the merger, as you have said you didn't want it. Parker didn't do it our of the goodness of his heart, he did it because he thought it was in the best financial interest of AWA, and it looks like he was right. The company I worked for brought a lot to the merger, more than AWA it seems to me, but both companies needed it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The AWA stockholders received stock in the new company because they owned stock in AWA when the merger happened and AWA was solvent.

Hallelujah...the blind man sees...

Nice to see you finally admit the obvious after all this time.

Jim