US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Reed Richards]

You forgot the part about ripness versus merit. And you forgot that it's split 2 to 2.

The only ones who got teed up was USAPA to the tune of millions. And now that Seham saw the writing on the wall he's moved on.

Surely this was not the logic used when you were Grievance Chairman?
If I stoop, real low and real stupid, to your logic the actual count would be 11 to 2. Don't forget the 9 SCOTUS Judges.


As to the "millions spent" on the USAPA side they were mitigated by a 30% discount from West dues and fees.


Seham was actually fired by Cleary, who did not like what he was being told. That and an "under the covers" whitewash of #2's canoodling with the fired legal help.

You should indeed be happy Seham is gone. It is a major and important win for those who do not favor DOH as defined in the USAPA CBL.
Take an moment and enjoy your win. It is noteworthy.

Coming soon, a big loss in NY, the NAC gets parked, more terminations, and at least two more lawsuits filed against USAPA (one more from the Company I hear.)

Keep score for me, let me know how I do.

RR

 

[aquagreen73s]

You should indeed be happy Seham is gone. It is a major and important win for those who do not favor DOH as defined in the USAPA CBL.

I wouldn't call it a win, just another "We told you so" moment.

Coming soon, a big loss in NY, the NAC gets parked, more terminations, and at least two more lawsuits filed against USAPA (one more from the Company I hear.)

Keep score for me, let me know how I do.

I'd say you're skirting pretty close to reality.

 

[luvthe9]

I'd say you're skirting pretty close to reality.

You have not seen reality yet, just wait for it.

 

[Reed Richards]

You have not seen reality yet, just wait for it.

Hope you are right Luv, we are in a real rut right now. Need to break the logjam.

The way I see it we would need an almost complete win ( and I expect no win at all) on LOA 93 to gain any leverage. I am sure Cleary could not properly wield that leverage even if obtained. His Napoleon complex allows for no compromise or real negotiations.

Some type of M & A will only highlight the lack of Scope in the AWA contract. U pilots, despite their current poor compensation, enjoy some of the strongest Scope in the industry..paid for by the blood of concessions and furloughs.

Or maybe a combo of the two above scenarios. Hang on!

RR (why Friday?)

 

[Move2CLT]

And you forgot the part at Wye River and Baptiste and Wilder, and all of your own money that you have deprived your families of for something that will not ever happen. It will all be over soon.

Wye river along with B&W are a waste of time. Even USAPA knows that as they haven't hired them for anything.

And the money we spent shot your DOH dream down cold. Now you beg us for compromise.

And yes, it will all be over for you soon.

 

[767jetz]

Does United and USAirways know you are on leave from both companies and working somewhere else? I think that's a no no.

:unsure: ???

Does USAirways and the FAA know you have voices inside your head? I think that's DEFINITELY a no no.

 

[mrbreeze]

I am beginning to think that maybe the Tempe Team is firing on about 6 of their 8 cylinders.....very encouraging! With the slot swap, they took in $66 mil......add that to the Kirby proposal of $122 mil, and that should be plenty to cover the back pay for the East pilots when Kasher spanks them for their misconduct.

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

:unsure: ???

Does USAirways and the FAA know you have voices inside your head? I think that's DEFINITELY a no no.

BS should be careful - he claims to have a job flying helicopters on the side. Let's see...95 hours/month for US doesn't leave much room for flying on the side and still be legal, does it... Perhaps breaking the rules...

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

:unsure: ???

Does USAirways and the FAA know you have voices inside your head? I think that's DEFINITELY a no no.

While crossing the Atlantic the other night, some DH asked how LOA93 was going. Since there are no West pilots out there, I figured that kind of tasteless comment came from you. It was a tacky, low shot....and I think the only reason no one replied was that they saw it the same way.

How childish....you must be way down the list.

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

when Kasher spanks them for their misconduct.

My, another one positive of victory. Can we put you down for a spot at the mea culpa table if you're wrong? Or will you pull a BS and luv, claim it's not a loss, you expected it all along, and move on to the next prediction?

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

BS should be careful - he claims to have a job flying helicopters on the side. Let's see...95 hours/month for US doesn't leave much room for flying on the side and still be legal, does it... Perhaps breaking the rules...

Jim

Jim,

just FYI, I haven't seen a flex above 85 hrs in close to a year now.

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

And no pilot ever flies over the cap, right? 85, 95, neither leaves much room for flying on the side.

Jim

PS - I see 95 hours for Sept 190 and CLT 330, 90/95 for Oct 737 and 90 for the 190, 95 for Nov on 737 and 90 on the 190. You were saying?

 

[mrbreeze]

And no pilot ever flies over the cap, right? 85, 95, neither leaves much room for flying on the side.

Jim

It's a different game these days....sure there are a low percentage of greedy pilots, but most of them have retired. There is more of a real brotherhood feel since we showed ALPA the door.

A good example is my daughter's ADA fundraiser. I sent USAir corporate a letter about her fundraiser.....rejected the next day. I sent Parker an email, asking him if he would at least pass it around management, USAir corporate sent me another email the next day, rejected again. I posted the letter in all CP offices in Philly.....not a single penny was donated from that office.

Now, my brothers and sisters that fly International in Philly (and even some of the West pilots...even if they will not admit it, are my brothers and sisters in this life 🙂...donated $10,857 to her fundraiser.....they really took her under their wings.

Ever since the USAir/Piedmont merger there was anamosity between the pilot groups.....not anymore, the battle today has unified the East pilots.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

And no pilot ever flies over the cap, right? 85, 95, neither leaves much room for flying on the side.

Jim

PS - I see 95 hours for Sept 190 and CLT 330, 90/95 for Oct 737 and 90 for the 190, 95 for Nov on 737 and 90 on the 190. You were saying?

I was saying Philly.

 

[luvn737s]

While crossing the Atlantic the other night, ...

How many west 757 posters here start their statements with, "While speeding along over the Pacific last night..."

I guess after a while it gets to be no big deal. Glad to see you're still giddy about flying for the Trans-Atlantic Carrier of Choice. And at 75% of the pay of the next highest carrier out there, no less.

Not too many are still in this solely for the love of flying and listening to Captains complaining and drinking foul coffee.