US Pilots Labor Discussion

[N924PS]

JS, please explain how former PSA pilot Jalmer Johnson became Mec president of ALPA Usairways pilots. Jalmer became president, got full parity in retirement benefits off the backs of the Usairways east pilots. Then Jalmer used all his sick time earned off the Usairways East pilots, then took a lump sump of a million plus, then went to ALPA National for his pirate efforts. Does your family of girls know what a pig you and your former Jalmer are? I think they should know the truth.

I belive you are referring to Armen Janzen, former USAir ALPA MEC Chair. Geez, as smart as you pretend to be, you think you could at least get the name of the individual you choose to disparage correct.

He was elected to his position as ALPA MEC Chairman by the members of the MEC. A democratic process, if you will recall.

Armen did get a lump sump distribution, per the contract, as did all other USAir pilots that chose that retirement option at the time. He accrued sick time, contractually, just as you did. If he used his remaining sick time prior to retirement, that was his business, not yours.

When you "stutter" mentally, you have only the faculties to attack people, resorting to sophomoric name calling and posting stupid links. Try to do better next time you try to launch yet another flame bait missive. Or better yet, head back to the cornfield, where you really belong.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Misread....wish folks would learn how to use the markup tools.

 

[767jetz]

What if the pay East comes to LOA 84? Your west buds are toast. Somebody else will be laughing. 😛

There is more to a contract than $/hour. From some of the stuff I read on the contract thread you guys really get screwed... trip rigs, 1/2 DH pay, vacation, etc. I agree that if you win the pay restoration thing (which I highly doubt, but you never know) then the senior guys who might consider a better contract with the nic will stay put. All you win then is more time to delay in court. With LOA93 indefinitely, at some point USAPA looses support one pilot at a time. (IMO of course.) Eventually the delay tactics will run out and binding arbitration will prevail.

 

[mikey60]

I belive you are referring to Armen Janzen, former USAir ALPA MEC Chair. Geez, as smart as you pretend to be, you think you could at least get the name of the individual you choose to disparage correct.

He was elected to his position as ALPA MEC Chairman by the members of the MEC. A democratic process, if you will recall.

Armen did get a lump sump distribution, per the contract, as did all other USAir pilots that chose that retirement option at the time. He accrued sick time, contractually, just as you did. If he used his remaining sick time prior to retirement, that was his business, not yours.

When you "stutter" mentally, you have only the faculties to attack people, resorting to sophomoric name calling and posting stupid links. Try to do better next time you try to launch yet another flame bait missive. Or better yet, head back to the cornfield, where you really belong.

another west coast jerk....924 tell everyone how he got the name Janzen....he was probably your hero.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

another west coast jerk....924 tell everyone how he got the name Janzen....he was probably your hero.

He also flunked bidding if he was going to the 330, looks like that steady , CLT-MYR-CLT! MM!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Because the truth stings like a female dog, you know the B word!!!

AWA320

Well truth is, hang on to your useless, cost consuming, (to yourself ) outside project of delay if it is truly only delayed 2 years(not!) you protest way to muchMM!

 

[Black Swan]

There is more to a contract than $/hour. From some of the stuff I read on the contract thread you guys really get screwed... trip rigs, 1/2 DH pay, vacation, etc. I agree that if you win the pay restoration thing (which I highly doubt, but you never know) then the senior guys who might consider a better contract with the nic will stay put. All you win then is more time to delay in court. With LOA93 indefinitely, at some point USAPA looses support one pilot at a time. (IMO of course.) Eventually the delay tactics will run out and binding arbitration will prevail.

Believe me, your contract over at UAL was nothing to crow about either. We shall see about the LOA 93. We aren't sweating ANY of the Nic stuff. The senior west guys are probably getting seriously sick of the junior guys holding them up on a 330 bid too. Some of them could hold it, but the way things are going, they will never see it. By the way, Hate, and AWE Dog. Welcome back to the 76I! 😀

 

[Black Swan]

He also flunked bidding if he was going to the 330, looks like that steady , CLT-MYR-CLT! MM!

He knows if he comes into a 3 man crew he will take a constant slamming! 😀

 

[CallawayGolf]

Believe me, your contract over at UAL was nothing to crow about either. We shall see about the LOA 93. We aren't sweating ANY of the Nic stuff. The senior west guys are probably getting seriously sick of the junior guys holding them up on a 330 bid too. Some of them could hold it, but the way things are going, they will never see it. By the way, Hate, and AWE Dog. Welcome back to the 76I! 😀

How exactly is any or all west pilot(s) holding up the JCBA negotiation process? The delay continues to come from the east's refusal to accept the NIC. For now all the west can do is wait for the JCBA to include the NIC or to become unquestionably ripe. Beyond that, USAPA is responsible for attaining contract improvements for all pilots – no one else can do that for them.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Believe me, your contract over at UAL was nothing to crow about either. We shall see about the LOA 93. We aren't sweating ANY of the Nic stuff. The senior west guys are probably getting seriously sick of the junior guys holding them up on a 330 bid too. Some of them could hold it, but the way things are going, they will never see it. By the way, Hate, and AWE Dog. Welcome back to the 76I! 😀

Ran into an ole CAL crew abroad today in ops, they were ready to tell UAL a thing or to, says it will get really ugly from here on out! MM! Did you see all the upward movement on that last bid? Especially on the E-190, and widebody flying!

 

[No Land Green]

How exactly is any or all west pilot(s) holding up the JCBA negotiation process?

by not going to Parker and telling him you accept DOH with C&R's............

 

[No Land Green]

Did you see all the upward movement on that last bid? Especially on the E-190, and widebody flying!

Yep, i was amazed at how junior some equipment went!!!!!

 

[AWA320]

by not going to Parker and telling him you accept DOH with C&R's............

Ohhhhhh I see now because people like me who see thru your BS like clear glass wont accept DOH which all but assures that I will be a 21yr first officer huh??? Further should there EVER be another furlough the west is then that furlough fodder. No thanks homie I will stick with final and binding arbitration for 200 Alex FINAL ANSWER!!!

 

[AWA320]

Believe me, your contract over at UAL was nothing to crow about either. We shall see about the LOA 93. We aren't sweating ANY of the Nic stuff. The senior west guys are probably getting seriously sick of the junior guys holding them up on a 330 bid too. Some of them could hold it, but the way things are going, they will never see it. By the way, Hate, and AWE Dog. Welcome back to the 76I! 😀

I have a wonderful idea, instead of guessing BS why not just ask them??? You see them in CLT and PHL all the time. Walk up to one and ask. If you are reallly interested next time you are in PHX go down into the crew room and find the seniors and ask them there. Now more guessing where we stand from 1 to 1800 just ask!!!

Reality check BS, the time you waste is your own. I am paid better than even your most senior narrow body F/O and while it aint much its still better and will continue to be so. Yup you can cheat and steal TODAY but should this place even survive there will be a price paid. You see that theif today will enjoys some good flying, some great schedules, wonderfull vacation times of year and weekends off. Now when the tables turn and all that great stuff today start to turn it will be crap schedules as the west bull rushes the best of the schedules, vacation times, best trips, and weekends off. I know what that feels like and its not at all fun.

Karma!! its a hell of a thing...

AWA320

 

[CallawayGolf]

by not going to Parker and telling him you accept DOH with C&R's............

I believe that USAPA is the only voice Doug Parker is permitted to listen to when it comes to contract issues, not the individual pilots. Isn't that implied and demanded by the term exclusive collective bargaining agent? So if that message is going to have any effect on Doug, it has to come from USAPA, not a group of west pilots. So I'll ask again, how exactly can anyone blame a west pilot for delaying the JCBA? If Doug doesn't believe what USAPA is saying regarding seniority, that is USAPA's issue, not the west pilots. Management, including Doug, Scott, Robert, and the BOD will not accept USAPA's DOH proposal unless a federal court specifically instructs them to do so. Since that isn't likely to happen, a JCBA is a very long way away unless USAPA honor's the east pilots' agreement regarding seniority and binding arbitration.