US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Still the comedian Swani even in the face of your crushing defeat.

Good for you.

 

[Black Swan]

I'm not so sure about the company. Remember, the cheapest way out for Parker was for the West to roll over and then exchange DOH for a cost neutral contract. That kind of blew up when the West unified and fought DOH. Nevertheless, the same factor still applies.

Aqua, you never answered. Who is the decider in the Nic being the absolute? You or the 9th? They say it may not, you say it does. Explain please.


Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.

 

[Pi brat]

Don't forget you're helping me move to CLT!!

Yep. I remember. I have a lot of boys ready to receive you!

Ah, this is so much fun! It took a while, but...............

 

[BoeingBoy]

She certified them as a class.

Over USAPA's objections. So much for USAPA being smart - didn't you say it's smart to talk to your opponent???

The fight there is finished.

No thanks to USAPA - that dumb union according to you...

She did everybody a favor.

Exactly how did she do that? She didn't suggest talking to your opponent - you are doing that but only now that the battle has been won (according to you). Sorta like the winning team saying "Let's play some more to see who really wins - we'll call it even to start again." Or the victorious general after the battle wanting to discuss the terms of his surrender. Makes a good fairy tale but doesn't happen in the real world.

Now they can deal.

Deal on what. You've been claiming that DOH is the only solution, and that the 9th made that clear. So what deal is USAPA offering that they don't have to?

I hear the senior guys out there want to. That is good news. Apparently there are hundreds that want to deal, as opposed to the few malcontents on the board here, six or seven objectors at the lower end or furloughed.

So USAPA winning everything, according to you, is not good news? Being able to offer the west more than USAPA has offered yet, or even has to according to you, is suddenly good news for you??? (psst - I warned you about those mysterious voices...)

Yes indeed, the sudden about face certainly tells a lot...a last grasp at the delay straw before it floats out of reach...

Jim

 

[Black Swan]

Still the comedian Swani even in the face of your crushing defeat.

Good for you.

The defeat? You lost your mantle of claiming to be the lost sheep wandering the desert with nobody to tend the flock. Now the judge has herded the flock and given you a shepherd. Are you now unhappy with the new situation? Boeing Boy is apparently disturbed by the new situation. Perhaps the flock is being driven to a place not safe?

 

[nic4us]

I'm not so sure about the company. Remember, the cheapest way out for Parker was for the West to roll over and then exchange DOH for a cost neutral contract. That kind of blew up when the West unified and fought DOH. Nevertheless, the same factor still applies.

You may be right, this is what I was thinking.

The company wants the DJ to be answered. If Silver allows West pilots the right to remove themselves from the class, which may be a prerequisite to any notion of mediated talks, then the DJ goes out the window with the independant West pilots who now have the right to sue the company and usapa over any mediated seniority list. Therefore the company would reject the notion, unless they can have their cake and eat it too and have all West pilots bound by any agreements reached.

Like I said, this is just a delay tactic. Open a whole new can of worms, and lets see how long we can frustrate the system.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Now the judge has herded the flock and given you a shepherd.

Oh, has there been a new ruling that no one but you and Cleary know about?

Jim

 

[nic4us]

Apparently Silver has been approached by a contingent of West guys that think differently. With a lot of signatures for being classed. Looks like she listened.

Really??

I am soooo upset that I was not asked for my signature.

Can't wait to read that list of signatures!!!

 

[CallawayGolf]

Aqua, you never answered. Who is the decider in the Nic being the absolute? You or the 9th? They say it may not, you say it does. Explain please.


Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.

It will never be effectuated if there is never a vote. This is another baseless statement by the Ninth. An injunction with no hope on appeal has never been tested. It's possible that a NIC TA would be ratified absent the injunction; add in the force of a federal injunction to use the NIC and the probability of ratification goes up even more. The Ninth majority spent more time off in the weeds than they did in matters of fact and law. Silver won't play that baseless speculation game of what the pilots will and will not vote on. She will decide what USAPA's responsibility is under the RLA and the TA.

 

[cleardirect]

Maybe the fact they got classed makes it possible to talk. I think the junior West isn't too happy about this. They now ran out of excuses why they couldn't. Let's work this out. I hear there are a lot of West senior guys that are coming out of the woodwork now to talk. Regardless of what Aqua says, the reality of the situation says the more senior West guys want to deal.

Once again you are wrong.

did you miss the filing that added the 3 senior pilots of class reps?

We were a class during the Addington. We did not want to talk then. We don't want to talk now. Junior or senior. The Nicolau is the list.

 

[BoeingBoy]

We were a class during the Addington. We did not want to talk then. We don't want to talk now. Junior or senior. The Nicolau is the list.

Oddly enough, Mr. "It's smart to talk to your opponents" wasn't interested in talking then either. Or during the appeal. Or during the DJ process. Or at all. He was too busy telling everyone that the game was over and USAPA won. Till now...

Jim

 

[cleardirect]

Because the more senior West guys apparently are approaching USAPA now in a large group and want to avoid years of litigation by the junior guys and Leonidas. You yourself said there was no West to talk to, well, all of a sudden there is. Imagine that.

I think you have it 180 degrees wrong as usual. It is the senior east guys going to usapa demanding Nicolau to move the contract along. Not the west.

 

[prechilill]

Oddly enough, Mr. "It's smart to talk to your opponents" wasn't interested in talking then either. Or during the appeal. Or during the DJ process. Or at all. He was too busy telling everyone that the game was over and USAPA won. Till now...

Jim

That's because he's got us right where he wants us!

 

[Pi brat]

I think you have it 180 degrees wrong as usual. It is the senior east guys going to usapa demanding Nicolau to move the contract along. Not the west.

Oh yeah. That's what I've (hired before about 90% of west pilots)heard!

 

[Pi brat]

That's because he's got us right where he wants us!

Before you show up in downtown Asheville, I'd trim a little off just below the chin hun.