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Move2CLT said:
I sure do.

Im not the one making the types of posts you make and then adding the fact that you were a vet on top of that.

It's like adding a cherry to the top of a steaming like of crap.

You, with your history of posts, are disrespectful.
[/quo Well your not because your not a vet, and because your crap on crap, simple as that! MM! Your claiming I"M disrespectful as DAVE CHAPPELLE would say" NI$$ER PLEEZ!" MM!
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MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
Really? You actually know some WW2 VETS, if they saw your posts how proud would they be of you ? You make me sick, bragging, I served, did you? I never claimed to be a hero, those guys, my friends came home in black bags, ! Nevermind? Unacceptable Bragging, the new WEST term for vets day! LUV YA!
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Yes I do know a WW2 VET and his name is George Nicolau.

http://www.peggybrowningfund.org/pdf/Bio_George_Nicolau.pdf

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Tonight’s honoree, George Nicolau, is the
first arbitrator recognized by The Peggy Browning
Fund. Often referred to as the Dean of Arbitrators,
George has been arbitrating and mediating
labor-management and employment disputes for
more than 40 years.
George’s career prior to entering this profession was equally
distinguished. While serving as a B-17 Navigator in the 8th Air Force during
World War II, he was severely wounded during an air raid over Leipzig and,
following intensive rehabilitation, he became a retired officer and gentleman
before he could vote. After the war, he entered the University of Michigan
earning a degree in Political Science and Economics. George then left his
home state to attend Columbia University Law School as a Harlan Fiske
Stone Scholar. While at Columbia, he worked for both Charles Hughes of
the Textile Workers of America and John Acropolis, the leader of the IBT’s
Local 456, whose murder is still an unsolved crime.
When George told his Greek immigrant parents that he wanted to be
a labor lawyer, they protested that other fields were more tranquil and
lucrative. His response was that his father’s stories, of long working hours
for low wages in unprotected non-union conditions when he first came to the
States in the early 1900’s, had an impact.
After earning his J.D. degree from Columbia, George joined the firm
of Sheehan and Harold where he represented Local 6 of the Typographers,
Local 2 of the Printing Pressmen, the New York locals of the Atomic Energy
Workers, then known as the Gas, Coke and Chemical Workers, and Local
456 of the Teamsters. At Cooper, Ostrin and DeVarco he represented
Actors Equity, the National Maritime Union, the Newspaper Guild and the
Communication Workers of America, then New York Telephone.
During the Kennedy Administration, George joined the Peace Corps
staff where he was instrumental in initiating the first blue collar Peace Corps
Volunteer Projects in Peru and Guiana. At the request of Sargent Shriver,
he served as Deputy Director of the Northeast Region of the US Office of
Economic Opportunity. Appointed by NYC Mayor John Lindsay, he became
the first Commissioner of the Community Development Agency – the largest
anti-poverty program in the nation.
In the early 70’s, George, Ron Haughton and Ted Kheel co-founded the
Institute for Mediation and Conflict Resolution where he taught mediation
techniques to community leaders, members of the Dept. of Justice’s Community
Relations Service, prison guards and inmates and the entire Community Affairs
and Precinct Command Force of the NYPD. After mediating a number of
community disputes in New York, such as the long and bitter Seward Park
housing controversy and the clash between the African-American and Hassidic
communities in Crown Heights, George decided to try is hand at arbitration.
George has been the arbitrator between the NBA and the National Basketball
Players Association (1979-81), the Indoor Soccer League (1980 – 93); first
Impartial Chairman between the NHL and the NHL Players Association (1993-
1996); the American-based arbitrator between the NHL and the International
Ice Hockey Federation, and the longest serving Impartial Chairman for Major
League Baseball and the MLB Players Association (1986-1995).
He has been the Impartial Chairman between the League of Voluntary
Hospitals and Local 1199 since 1993; one of three Impartial Members of the
New York City Office of Collective Bargaining since 1987; the Impartial
Chairman to the NBPA Regulations Governing Player Agents since 1986 and a
panel arbitrator for all major airlines, theatre, television, movie and newspaper
industries.
Still a full-time arbitrator and mediator, George has been presented with
Awards of Distinction by the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service and
the College of Labor and Employment Lawyers and the American Arbitration
Association’s Wise Owl Award for distinguished service. He is married to
Siobhan Nicolau, a former program officer for the Ford Foundation, and has five
children and six grandchildren.

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OTTER574 said:
Yes I do know a WW2 VET and his name is George Nicolau.

http://www.peggybrowningfund.org/pdf/Bio_George_Nicolau

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You see that's where you miss the boat everbody in the US supported WW2 , now how many supported VIETNAM? GEORGE god bless him NAUGHLER will set him free! MM!
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
You see that's where you miss the boat everbody in the US supported WW2 , now how many supported VIETNAM? GEORGE god bless him NAUGHLER will set him free! MM!
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Boy oh boy young man, if that's what floats your boat. I got news for you? Most people in this society and the Federal Court system don't agree with you.

Maybe the usapa bailing scott theuer (seniority is like crew meals fame) can give you a recommendation or offer counseling for the depression you have.

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Anybody else laugh out loud at the latest "legal update"? Only USCABA can claim victory in the face of obvious defeat. Motion DENIED...in USLAPPY land that means the Judge caved in the face of the terrifying force that is USURPY. :lol: :lol:

Such embarrassing Idiots...when will this end? 🙄
 
GuntherA320 said:
Good luck with that. Glad to see you know what Judge Silver thinks before she does. 🙂

I agree....you shouldn't be worried at all. In a perfect Leonidas world, Judge Silver will order the NIC unmodified and into immediate effect and will skip any future DFR and go ahead and award damages totaling 10 bazillion dollars to the West pilots. USAPA won't appeal and this will be over by January.

In the real world....if she says NIC can't be modified....this will drag out another 4 or 5 years. The good news in that scenario is that Chip will have 2 years left at new pay before he has to retire.
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After I read this post, I decided to review the transcripts of Judge Silver's proceedings last February. While we can't truly predict what she will do, these snipits may lead us to an educated guess:

(To Mr. Siegel) THE COURT: What would you have argued to the Ninth Circuit had you been a party? You're in front of the Ninth Circuit now. What would you have argued that would change the complexion of the case? It seems to me, as I've read the case again and again, that the majority opinion was -- they were adamant about taking the position, which is supported by the case law, that they are to defer where there are collective bargaining agreement negotiations. So they were just going to keep away from that no matter what. No question the Court embraced the issue that there was harm to the West Pilots. That was clear. Nonetheless, they were not -- still, this was something that could be negotiated and they felt it would be negotiated and even though US Air was not present, that it still could be negotiated so why is it any different?

(To Seham) THE COURT: So we have -- so, okay. We have Johnny-come-lately here and so they are now before me and they are now asking for a declaratory judgment. And I'm looking to see whether or not the Supreme Court of the United States decision gives me that discretion in a private-party situation as opposed to a government situation. And I'm trying to drag out of the Supreme Court decision that they are saying that this case is not different, that all of the issues that were raised in the Ninth Circuit decision on behalf of the company to establish that they were harmed are the same ones that are being brought to me now. It doesn't seem to make any difference to me that they are bringing it to me now.

Judge Silver has just a couple things in front of her, and basically it is the question of whether the company can be held harmless IF they choose to use a list other than the unmodified Nicolau list. Judge Silver has thoroughly read all of the Addington case files, AND will be using said files to craft her decision. Of that you can be sure.

IMHO.
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
I give, who is "your own guy", crying KMA, it is DUI DOUG you tell me, is it deliverable?, Wasteing time and our money? What you'll wave the AOL magic wand and make it so, have another wetdream!
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Your own numbers guy Rick Salamat.

He is the one that said 2 years max.
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
You see that's where you miss the boat everbody in the US supported WW2 , now how many supported VIETNAM? GEORGE god bless him NAUGHLER will set him free! MM!
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Why is it so difficult for you to learn?

This is the 4th time I have told you Naugler is dead. 17 moths nothing in that case has happened.

I will spell it so you understand Naugler is ded.
 
Move2CLT said:
Quit confusing MM! These facts are making him nuts.

Hey MM, ask either of the the Erics why the entire report wasn't made available to the east.
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Because that's how east alpa/usapa has always worked. They can't keep up with their own lies they tell the troops. usapa again in front of a Federal Judge telling a story..... Oh man this is going to be fun to watch.... 😀

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