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Hey RR,

The west forgets one thing and that is the NIC is not in effect until it is finally voted in with a final single contract... Lots on here like to say what will happen with that, but I'm pretty confident the EAST will not be voting in the NIC anytime soon.
Vote no. Vote no until you retire. Who cares. Just understand that the Nicolau like PBS is going to be part of the next contract.

If you don't like PBS vote no. But you are not going to get a new contract without it. You are not going to get a contract without the Nicolau.
 
Vote no. Vote no until you retire. Who cares. Just understand that the Nicolau like PBS is going to be part of the next contract.

If you don't like PBS vote no. But you are not going to get a new contract without it. You are not going to get a contract with the Nicolau.
And while you're figuring that out, you can do it under LOA 93.

So take your time.
 
Ha! You funny dude! That light you are seeing is the Nicolau freight train in the long tunnel. See you in court.


"Forced to bargain for the Nicolau Award, any contract USAPA could negotiate would undoubtedly be rejected by its membership."

"By deferring judicial intervention, we leave USAPA to bargain"

"We also conclude that withholding judicial consideration does not work a direct and immediate hardship on the West Pilots."
 
I guess it's official that the easties are desperate - even Phoenix is resorting to changing other's posts while claiming to quote them and selectively snipping out bits of sentences from the 9th's ruling. I never thought I'd see that from him... :lol:

Jim
 
You make up things. Show us the legal determination, the ruling. You can't. All you have is a rant!
Here is the ONLY thing that came out of Addington:

CONCLUSION

[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.

Why do you think the Shuttle pilots have decided not to re open the case when it is ripe..

The Shuttle/Empire suit was thrown out on Ripness and teh case is Dead, nobody is moving forward even later ....

No chance... Just like the NIC>
 
In the face of the facts you are a liar. Everything you have said prior and after this is suspect.


Liar... Pretty strong words from someone who quietly changes/corrects his own posts. :lol:

I know, I know.. "with" "without" its a small thing. I'll give you that. For that, you aren't suspect or a liar. It was just a freudian slip. 😀
 
Vote no. Vote no until you retire. Who cares. Just understand that the Nicolau like PBS is going to be part of the next contract.

If you don't like PBS vote no. But you are not going to get a new contract without it. You are not going to get a contract without the Nicolau.


And while you're figuring that out, you can do it under LOA 93.

So take your time.
And enjoy it!
 
Here is the ONLY thing that came out of Addington:

CONCLUSION

[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.
Glad that you finally recognize that. Maybe now we won't have to read and refute all the other things you quote which are not part of a ruling but merely window dressing to explain the not ripe ruling - the "foregoing reasons" as the 9th put it. Now if you'd just recognize that SCOTUS didn't rule on the Addington... :lol: :lol:

Jim
 
Glad that you finally recognize that. Maybe now we won't have to read and refute all the other things you quote which are not part of a ruling but merely window dressing to explain the not ripe ruling - the "foregoing reasons" as the 9th put it. Now if you'd just recognize that SCOTUS didn't rule on the Addington... :lol: :lol:

Jim
Leave him be. He's here only to regurgitate what USAPA feeds him.

Comprehension is well beyond his pay grade. He hasn't gotten past ripeness v merit yet.
 
Another point of view that questions if NIC can ever be implemented I don't think has been discussed here.

Much has been said about DFR's and Company liability from the west.

There are 800 east pilots that would have a pretty strong case for a DFR if NIC is put in place. Why?

On the date that USAPA was voted in as sole bargening agent all furloughed pilots were back on the property on the east, as well as about 100 newhires.

Where might a DFR from them come into play? Under NIC they received zero representation, they were stapled. HOWEVER, At no time while USAPA has been sole bargening agent has any of them been on furlough.

I am told that this has been discussed with a couple labor lawyers and it has enough teeth to start this whole process of DFR, no DFR, in the courts again and tie up any implementation of NIC for years to come. The reason being is because USAPA is bound to represent them to the very same degree they are the west. USAPA's member group has at no time NOT had them as active dues paying members.

If we were still ALPA this probably would not come into play. But since USAPA has always had them as active members, they CANNOT implement a NIC list that does nothing but staple them to the bottom...ie. No fair representation. There would be questions as to the companies liability in this as well.

I don't know how it would all turn out. But it appears to be enough to at least drag this out several more years PAST the few more years the current court issues are going to drag out.

I am sure Tempe has already come to this conclusion and loves every minute of it, even if some court says NIC is the list, the company STILL does not have to really negotiate a new contract since they get several more years of east DFR suits to tie things up.

The only way I see the company could avoid this additional issue is for them to pay a huge amount of money, enough to keep all sides from sueing no matter what list is used. But they won't.
 
There are 800 east pilots that would have a pretty strong case for a DFR if NIC is put in place.
Dead wrong. Union C&BLs don't trump federal law. Ergo, a union can't justify discriminating against a minority based on C&BLs. That's exactly what USAPA has done and the courts are not willing to let you get away with it. To be liable for what you propose, it's a DFR to use an arbitration.


Only in the minds of a true believer could someone concoct such a preposterous claim: "It's illegal to follow the law!"

Crazy, I tell you.
 
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