US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Ah, another insightful post from a westie whose family tree is probably a little straight up. Why do my questions bother you? If it is an impossibility, just say "No, she can't".

Your obvious rear-guard action indicates that you are losing.

RR's semi - conciliatory tone is a bit less pathetic but none the less a rear guard action.

You are losing.

 

[cleardirect]

Okay, so here is another question. If you are on the money, can Judge Silver say to the company "None of the above"? I'm going to give you count 4.

By that I mean that she says "This is the good old USA and anyone can sue any day, so I cannot give you immunity. But you are required by the RLA to negotiate every section of the contract with the CBA. You signed a poorly worded document, live with it. If you have one group of employees saying that the other is not right and will sue, NEGOTIATE with you CBA to see if you can overcome those fears. If not, when you have everything else done and the CBA still wants DOH in section 22 then you decide if you want to take a strike or face the DFR with plausible deniability that it wasn't YOU that did this and they should sue their union."

Clueless, completely clueless. You have demonstrated that you have zero clue what the DJ is about and what the court is going to do or the responsibility the company and even the union has.

How about you take the time to read the complaint and the transcript from the hearing. On second thought that is not going to help you. Spend some of your tiny pay check and hire a lawyer to explain it to you.

 

[Pi brat]

Your obvious rear-guard action indicates that you are losing.

RR's semi - conciliatory tone is a bit less pathetic but none the less a rear guard action.

You are losing.

I'm losing. Got it. Sleep tight.

 

[BoeingBoy]

So not really the end, but the end with the end shortly behind it. Okay.

Just like the end of tomorrow is not the end of the year. Just like the end of the year is not the end of the century. If tomorrow was Dec 31, 2011, one could argue that the end of tomorrow is or is not the end of the year - tomorrow night will technically bring the end of the year to North America (except the northern parts of Alaska/Canada) but the end of tomorrow would be the end of the last 24 hour midnight to midnight "day" of this year. What happens if there is an appeal of Silver's ruling. There won't be an injunction telling the company to violate the contract. So the company will negotiate from a position of having to accept the Nic during an appeal. If the 9th upholds Silver, they won't issue an injunction telling the company to negotiate another list while SCOTUS decides to take the case or not. So Silver's ruling will control the negotiations regarding seniority regardless of appeals. The only thing that could change that is if the 9th or SCOTUS overturned Silver, which I've already said I consider unlikely.

If Silver tells the company that, already having accepted the Nic, it can not accept any other list without violating the contract then I believe that that is effectively the end of the seniority battle between east and west. Is it the end of everything in the known universe that could possibly happen? Obviously not. Another seniority battle might come along with the AA pilots. The contract process may not end for 2-3-however many years.

So instead of making your trademark "cute" comments, take what I said as what I meant.

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Clueless, completely clueless. You have demonstrated that you have zero clue what the DJ is about and what the court is going to do or the responsibility the company and even the union has.

How about you take the time to read the complaint and the transcript from the hearing. On second thought that is not going to help you. Spend some of your tiny pay check and hire a lawyer to explain it to you.

As usual clear is running around with his hair on fire, but I will put you down as a no.

Any one else?

CA divorce lawyer?

 

[nic4us]

Thanks, anyone else?

The third question in the DJ is so far beyond not ripe, I can't believe the company asked for it. Immunity for some as yet to be deteremined outcome, of an as yet to be deteremined action??? c'mon.

And then for usapa, to actually ask the court to grant that part, they pretty much showed their hand. "Please judge, give the company immunity, so they will go along with us in screwing the West pilots."

Oh, them sly dogs over in Tempe. They did that on purpose!!!!

I always said of the three players the company has the best legal team.

 

[Pi brat]

Just like the end of tomorrow is not the end of the year. Just like the end of the year is not the end of the century. If tomorrow was Dec 31, 2011, one could argue that the end of tomorrow is or is not the end of the year - tomorrow night will technically bring the end of the year to North America (except the northern parts of Alaska/Canada) but the end of tomorrow would be the end of the last 24 hour midnight to midnight "day" of this year. What happens if there is an appeal of Silver's ruling. There won't be an injunction telling the company to violate the contract. So the company will negotiate from a position of having to accept the Nic during an appeal. If the 9th upholds Silver, they won't issue an injunction telling the company to negotiate another list while SCOTUS decides to take the case or not. So Silver's ruling will control the negotiations regarding seniority regardless of appeals. The only thing that could change that is if the 9th or SCOTUS overturned Silver, which I've already said I consider unlikely.

If Silver tells the company that, already having accepted the Nic, it can not accept any other list without violating the contract then I believe that that is effectively the end of the seniority battle between east and west. Is it the end of everything in the known universe that could possibly happen? Obviously not. Another seniority battle might come along with the AA pilots. The contract process may not end for 2-3-however many years.

So instead of making your trademark "cute" comments, take what I said as what I meant.

Jim

Aww, did I make Jimbo mad too? I actually thought it was a good summary.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Thanks, anyone else?

You forgot to ask RR to name the date of "the end", whatever "the end" is...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

The third question in the DJ is so far beyond not ripe, I can't believe the company asked for it. Immunity for some as yet to be deteremined outcome, of an as yet to be deteremined action??? c'mon.

I agree. Thanks for the reply without the "you are an idiot" added.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I'm losing. Got it. Sleep tight.

No! You spend a lot of time appearing to be ignorant.

After 5-6 years. Always asking questions.

What will it cost for your vote? It has come to that.

You are the MESA of the mainline airline industry.

How do you sell that ?

 

[OTTER574]

If you don't like the questions, don't read them. Don't reply. Or put me on ignore. Otherwise I will ask whatever I want. Asking questions has helped me understand things better, often from west posters. Just not you..................

You've won nothing yet. Maybe just that close, but not yet.

Now your posting statements to questions never made. Must be getting late for you brat or your sipping the good stuff again?

lee seham look-a-like? Maybe?

OTTER

 

[Pi brat]

You forgot to ask RR to name the date of "the end", whatever "the end" is...

Jim

Didn't have to Jim, he has pretty clearly stated how he thought things would end up and didn't claim that the DJ would "end" it like AOL did.

 

[Pi brat]

Now your posting statements to questions never made. Must be getting late for you brat or your sipping the good stuff again?

lee seham look-a-like? Maybe?

OTTER

I'm sure you posts make sense to you.......

 

[Reed Richards]

You forgot to ask RR to name the date of "the end", whatever "the end" is...

Jim

"Rosebud."

 

[BoeingBoy]

Didn't have to Jim, he has pretty clearly stated how he thought things would end up and didn't claim that the DJ would "end" it like AOL did.

Then ask AOL your questions. Instead of throwing darts at various westies and me for not going along with your silly game.

Jim