US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

That's just it, it's not. I moved backwards. You guys, with your nearly liquidated airline, should have been stapled.

There is NO WAY you moved backwards in anything but a relative position. And that is because you had no International widebody ops to put on the table. You are where you should be which is the seat you were flying when this merger happened. You lost NOTHING.

If the NIC is not to your liking, then why don't you want the do over??? I've heard this argument before and it makes NO sense. You don't want the do over because you KNOW that the NIC gave you an advantage that you would not have otherwise had.

And thanks for the comment on the staple job...we love you too.

Driver...

 

[prechilill]

🙂

Never dull, huh? For some it will never end. Even after they retire they will be carrying a grudge and telling the world how they were screwed. My definition would be a joint, ratified contract with no credible DFR on the horizon. So I differ with the AOL update.

I agree with you about the company. I think they have been leaning this way all along and they just went down this road to reap a few(many?) more millions in contract savings. The guy arguing for them is not a company lawyer, he is an "expert". He surely told them how he felt about it before they filed the suit.

Anyway, I see no RESOLUTION and thus money in the check anytime soon. The company hasn't been shy about telling us that if didn't like their opinion that we could shove it, oops I mean grieve it.

Excellent post. I agree completely that Dug has enjoyed immensely watching bothnpilot groups duke it out. He always enjoys screwing labor and probably was peeing his pants with excitement when your side was suing some of our pilots for bogus racketeering charges. You easties let your emotions get the better of you and Parker not only capitalized on it he benefitted greatly from it. Your Loa93 wages have kept this company in the black, but now that a bigger deal may be on the table it's time to squash USAPA. Every east pilot who is smart enough to read the transcripts from Thursday should see the tea leaves... Siegel basically clarified and blueprinted the west case for judge silver- Harper didn't even have to say much. That says everything.
And where is this Kasher will pay decision??? How long are you boys going to sit quietly and wait for this "decision"?

 

[prechilill]

There is NO WAY you moved backwards in anything but a relative position. And that is because you had no International widebody ops to put on the table. You are where you should be which is the seat you were flying when this merger happened. You lost NOTHING.

Driver...

I shake my head at how much you contradict yourself. Amazing. Unscrupulous principles maybe?

 

[exB717Flyer]

If we merge and your AA number will let you leapfrog people that were senior to you at AWA, even though the mantra has been "no furloughed pilot ahead of an active pilot" you will do it.

The short answer is of course I'll "do it" since I won't actually have a choice.

The less short answer is that every merger is different so such decisions about how or if furloughees get slotted can't be predicted. Regardless, I'll not fight an arbitraitor's decision.

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What kind of engineer? That does help clear things up.
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Aeronautical.

 

[Boeing Driver]

🙁

I thought you cared?
Moving day is approaching- looks like the company is no longer treating you guys with Kid gloves.

Another shining example of affirmative action hiring at the lowest rung airline.

Boeing Driver

 

[Res Judicata]

The end is near for the west, Ferguson has sealed there fate.

Man, the wheels are falling off!!

 

[Pi brat]

The short answer is of course I'll "do it" since I won't actually have a choice.

The less short answer is that every merger is different so such decisions about how or if furloughees get slotted can't be predicted. Regardless, I'll not fight an arbitraitor's decision.



Aeronautical.

It's been many pages ago so it's not really worth looking up but I believe I said if you had a choice to pick either number. I believe some of our furloughed pilots had that choice with this merger. Whatever, doesn't matter.

 

[Pi brat]

🙁

I thought you cared?
Moving day is approaching- looks like the company is no longer treating you guys with Kid gloves.

Nope, I don't care a lick. That's a free introduction to some of the terms you may hear up there in the hills.

Just let me know. I have some great scenic vistas to show you.

 

[Pi brat]

So whether Silver "ends" "it" or not is really nothing but a semantic game for dummies - "Duh, what do you mean by the end? Your family tree is pretty straight." A game you love to play as long as you can get your swipes at the westies in.

Jim

Thanks for playing chief! Couldn't resist, could you?

 

[700UW]

Of course not. But in the end the courts do not "settle" labor agreements. What was that one word the Ninth judge used as to the process, interminable..or something.

If the Government (Courts) want to get involved, they can allow or speed up (?) the bargaining process..mediation, work action, etc by allowing such events to move forward (again..read RLA)

Even in BK, the courts did not impose contracts on us..although some would argue they indeed did by way of a gun to our careers.

What else can I say. I don't think the courts can impose contracts between the parties. We have already seen that as law, guess we will eventually find out if it holds up.

RR

Wrong the IAM M&R had a final offer imposed, the judge had us token vote on it.

And Congress can legislate your CBA, it happens all the time under the RLA, better take time and read the steps.

 

[Pi brat]

There is NO WAY you moved backwards in anything but a relative position.

And I don't believe that most of them moved back very much or for very long. I'm looking at the spreadsheet for the guy slotted about me. It doesn't start until 1/1/10, but I believe he dropped 1 or 2% pts the day the Nic came out, Nic vs. west stand alone. As of today he is 6% pts higher on the Nic than the west stand alone and by retirement that grows to 9% pts.

 

[700UW]

Court Case

 

[Pi brat]

Another shining example of affirmative action hiring at the lowest rung airline.

Boeing Driver

Oh no BD, pre wouldn't call me out and incorrectly state things about me and how I managed to land a job without telling her story. I feel confident that shortly she will be along to share her wonderful story of her vast experience and why that although every airline was begging for her to join them, she chose AWA.

Integrity and all.

 

[cactusboy53]

The end is near for the west, Ferguson has sealed there fate.

Who's going to jail this week Oh red-headed step-child of lies?

 

[Move2CLT]

There is NO WAY you moved backwards in anything but a relative position. And that is because you had no International widebody ops to put on the table. You are where you should be which is the seat you were flying when this merger happened. You lost NOTHING.

If the NIC is not to your liking, then why don't you want the do over??? I've heard this argument before and it makes NO sense. You don't want the do over because you KNOW that the NIC gave you an advantage that you would not have otherwise had.

And thanks for the comment on the staple job...we love you too.

Driver...

Thanks for this fantastic post. It's a keeper.

I did move back a few percentage points, but that's to be expected in a merger. I wanted a staple but knew deep down we'd never get it.

What seat were you flying in when this merger occured? Weren't there a ton of easties that werent in any seat?

I don't want a redo because it was agreed to and it's final and binding. Im willing to accept that and move on. I'd rather have stapled you but an agreement is an agreement.

Just curious, if this do over doesn't go your way again, domyiunwant another do over? How many do overs would you be willing to go through? What makes you think that you get what you want this time when 18 months producing nothing acceptable to you?

No, there will be no do over. Both sides made a deal and you're going to love with it.