US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

Boeingboy any thoughts?

Yes, several.

Breeze is full of it. Per LOA 93: Will remain in effect in accordance with it's terms until each of the provisions herein has been fulfilled, unless sooner terminated by:
- Written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively, or
- Termination of the Merger Agreement, or
- At the discretion of the Association, failure of consummation of the Merger Agreement by October 1, 2005.

Bullet points #2 and #3 are off the table - the merger agreement was NOT terminated and WAS consummated by 10-1-2005. Bullet point #1 requires agreement of US - what did Parker say about a chance very close to zero in another context.

LOA 93 is still valid and in full effect, and will be until a single contract is ratified - Breeze's fantasies not withstanding.

Breeze is full of it #2. "With 60 retirements per month coming up". That would replace all the East pilots on the Nic in ~8 years - won't happen. I've posted the numbers, others have posted the numbers. There's an average of less than 200/year for the next 10 years - and that's including non-active.

Breeze is full of it #3. Parella said "We will ask the Arbitrator to clarify several issues in the draft decision." No mention of made of the 3% annual raises (although they might be one of the several). But that is purely a guess based on absolutely nothing official that I've seen. It seems that Breeze's hopes are outrunning facts, all the better to keep his fantasies alive...

Breeze is full of it #4. "So, fodase,

Where does this say the things that you claim?"
Where does it even mention the 3% that Breeze claims is the centerpiece of discussions in the Executive Session? The answer is "It doesn't say anything about the 3%." But it did say "but it is unlikely that we will be able to get the Arbitrator to reverse his decision."

Breeze is full of it #5. "but name calling isn't necessary". Is this the poster that throws "DH" around all he wants? Now objecting to name calling? Hypocritical much?

Jim

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Late to the news.

LOA93 is lost? Really, what a surprise! NOT

Hey MM, 9 weeks ago you said that the ruling was a few days away and you would win.

LOL

All that time the greedy east wasted, all that money because of their headlong quest to screw the west.

You all are gonna continue to lose because...........you agreed to binding arbitration and then, like a bunch of greedheads you tried to weasel your way out of it by forming a sham union.

Your loss, your fault.

 

[mrbreeze]

Yes, several.

Breeze is full of it. Per LOA 93: Will remain in effect in accordance with it's terms until each of the provisions herein has been fulfilled, unless sooner terminated by:
- Written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively, or
- Termination of the Merger Agreement, or
- At the discretion of the Association, failure of consummation of the Merger Agreement by October 1, 2005.

Bullet points #2 and #3 are off the table - the merger agreement was NOT terminated and WAS consummated by 10-1-2005. Bullet point #1 requires agreement of US - what did Parker say about a chance very close to zero in another context.

LOA 93 is still valid and in full effect, and will be until a single contract is ratified - Breeze's fantasies not withstanding.

Breeze is full of it #2. "With 60 retirements per month coming up". That would replace all the East pilots on the Nic in ~8 years - won't happen. I've posted the numbers, others have posted the numbers. There's an average of less than 200/year for the next 10 years - and that's including non-active.

Breeze is full of it #3. Parella said "We will ask the Arbitrator to clarify several issues in the draft decision." No mention of made of the 3% annual raises (although they might be one of the several). But that is purely a guess based on absolutely nothing official that I've seen. It seems that Breeze's hopes are outrunning facts, all the better to keep his fantasies alive...

Breeze is full of it #4. "So, fodase,

Where does this say the things that you claim?"
Where does it even mention the 3% that Breeze claims is the centerpiece of discussions in the Executive Session? The answer is "It doesn't say anything about the 3%."

Jim

You forgot to add....IMHO. After all, this is just your view of it all and has nothing to do with the official way things are actually going down.

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

"unbiased (my ass) King of Crap" - is the the guy who was saying that name calling wasn't necessary about a page ago?

BTW, your fantasies have nothing to do "with the official way things are actually going down" either, but I didn't see "IMHO" in your posts. I guess they're "official fantasies" until dashed, like all your earlier fantasies...

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

Yes, several.

Breeze is full of it. Per LOA 93: Will remain in effect in accordance with it's terms until each of the provisions herein has been fulfilled, unless sooner terminated by:
- Written agreement of the Association and the Airline Parties collectively, or
- Termination of the Merger Agreement, or
- At the discretion of the Association, failure of consummation of the Merger Agreement by October 1, 2005.

Bullet points #2 and #3 are off the table - the merger agreement was NOT terminated and WAS consummated by 10-1-2005. Bullet point #1 requires agreement of US - what did Parker say about a chance very close to zero in another context.

LOA 93 is still valid and in full effect, and will be until a single contract is ratified - Breeze's fantasies not withstanding.

Breeze is full of it #2. "With 60 retirements per month coming up". That would replace all the East pilots on the Nic in ~8 years - won't happen. I've posted the numbers, others have posted the numbers. There's an average of less than 200/year for the next 10 years - and that's including non-active.

Breeze is full of it #3. Parella said "We will ask the Arbitrator to clarify several issues in the draft decision." No mention of made of the 3% annual raises (although they might be one of the several). But that is purely a guess based on absolutely nothing official that I've seen. It seems that Breeze's hopes are outrunning facts, all the better to keep his fantasies alive...

Breeze is full of it #4. "So, fodase,

Where does this say the things that you claim?"
Where does it even mention the 3% that Breeze claims is the centerpiece of discussions in the Executive Session? The answer is "It doesn't say anything about the 3%." But it did say "but it is unlikely that we will be able to get the Arbitrator to reverse his decision."

Breeze is full of it #5. "but name calling isn't necessary". Is this the poster that throws "DH" around all he wants? Now objecting to name calling? Hypocritical much?

Jim

Also, I just re-read LOA93....none of your BS bullet points are in there.....you are so full of ####.

 

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[BoeingBoy]

Also, I just re-read LOA93....none of your BS bullet points are in there.....you are so full of ####.

That proves you didn't read it...if and when you do I'll loan you a dictionary to look up the big words...

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

That proves you didn't read it...if and when you do I'll loan you a dictionary to look up the big words...

Jim

Oh, I read it and your quotes are not in there. Please, don't lie to the readers of this board.....or show us your proof.

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

I invite anyone to read it - the section just before the signatures. Cut & paste apparently isn't good enough for Mr ("name calling isn't necessary") Breeze... :blink:

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

I invite anyone to read it - the section just before the signatures. Cut & paste apparently isn't good enough for Mr ("name calling isn't necessary") Breeze... :blink:

Jim

I don't know if your smoking something really good, but my copy of LOA93 doesn't say what you claim.....did your paraphrase? Did you download a copy from the cactus website? Just doesn't match.

btw, I am not taunting you, so why not drop it?

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh Boo Hoo, Mr "I Can Call You Names But Don't Dare Call Me Names" Breeze had his feelings hurt...

I've got the TA that the pilots received prior to voting on the 190 pay, from the POR and from the Cactus site (which is the POR version) - all say the same. I did take the liberty of not using "ALPA" as the copy of the TA the pilots received prior to voting on the E190 pay said, but "the Association" as the later copies said.

If you're looking at any of those versions, you're just not seeing it but this isn't the first time.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

I even just now checked the copy on Wings. It conforms to the POR version ("the Association" instead of "ALPA" and with the signatures for the various parties). So I have no idea what you're looking at but it ain't official. Maybe Parella "edited" a copy just for the pay grievance...

Jim

 

[88 B.T.D.]

Oh Boo Hoo, Mr "I Can Call You Names But Don't Dare Call Me Names" Breeze had his feelings hurt...

I've got the TA that the pilots received prior to voting on the 190 pay, from the POR and from the Cactus site (which is the POR version) - all say the same. I did take the liberty of not using "ALPA" as the copy of the TA the pilots received prior to voting on the E190 pay said, but "the Association" as the later copies said.

If you're looking at any of those versions, you're just not seeing it but this isn't the first time.

Jim

Jim your quote originally said LOA93 when you actually quoted the TA.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Oh good God, is my face red...my apologies to Breeze, at least till I read LOA 93.

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

Jim your quote originally said LOA93 when you actually quoted the TA.

thank you 88 BTD for straightening this out.

C'mon Jim, gawd!