US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

There's probably not going to be any merger.

Not because on anything you're going to do, but because USAPA is despised by every other pilot group and the negatives of a merger far outweigh the positives.

Well, at least we have that going for us, nobody wants another merge.

 

[prechilill]

Well, at least we have that going for us, nobody wants another merge.

Yeah, yeah- just pass the bucket why don't you!

 

[prechilill]

Yes, you are right and do you think we will give him one? The AMR boys understand the NIC would crush them I think you will see the AMR boys join forces with us to stop any merge.

Court, as in full court press in BS- works for you but nobody takes you seriously. Your above statement is funny- very funny. You have lost, your career is on the bottom of all AWA pilots- you weren't even on the court when this game was arranged in 2005... You are lucky to carry my bucket o' chicken!

Merry Christmas my friend.

 

[mrbreeze]

it's been worked out. It's just a matter of you accepting it.

LOA84 gives us a 3% raise annually until we vote in a new contract....that puts us at a 9% increase by May 2012. At that point our domestic fleet will be equivolent to the West contract and our International rate will be well beyond anything you guys make on the West side. With 60 retirements per month coming up, why would we accept anything?

There are no guarantees that we gain anything by giving in....you must think we are a bunch of suckers that will buy into your "fine deal."

And your "fine" attitudes just lend to the idea of not accepting anthing.

And don't give me your crap about 3% annually being dead, it is being worked out in the executive session.

breeze

 

[prechilill]

I want a joint contract and want it yesterday!! I am NOT and get this part real good my friend I am not willing to get that contract if it means that I have to give the east one more thing more than they have already STOLEN!!! We dont have a contract today because of the east and no other reason. If that is your intent, to somehow get the west to move off a fair final and binding arbitration result then you are wasting bandwith. I can wait for the courts now and the AA marriage to hand the east that major dose of reality and then look out!!

Injunction

Amen brother. The east has lost on all accounts. They have nothing left but their existence on Loa93. The ball is still in their court. Happy Holidays!!!

 

[prechilill]

And don't give me your crap about 3% annually being dead, it is being worked out in the executive session.

breeze

Another notable east quote to revisit in a month or so...

 

[cactusboy53]

LOA84 gives us a 3% raise annually until we vote in a new contract....that puts us at a 9% increase by May 2012. At that point our domestic fleet will be equivolent to the West contract and our International rate will be well beyond anything you guys make on the West side. With 60 retirements per month coming up, why would we accept anything?

There are no guarantees that we gain anything by giving in....you must think we are a bunch of suckers that will buy into your "fine deal."

And your "fine" attitudes just lend to the idea of not accepting anthing.

And don't give me your crap about 3% annually being dead, it is being worked out in the executive session.

breeze

Breeze;
If I understand you correctly, you are entitled to a 3% raise EVERY YEAR. If so why are you only counting back 3 years (3 x 3% = 9%)? Wouldn't you get that from the time that you went on LOA93? I'm just asking.

Tally Ho.

 

[mrbreeze]

Breeze;
If I understand you correctly, you are entitled to a 3% raise EVERY YEAR. If so why are you only counting back 3 years (3 x 3% = 9%)? Wouldn't you get that from the time that you went on LOA93? I'm just asking.

Tally Ho.

LOA93 superceeded LOA84 during the time it was in effect. LOA93 has expired with no snapback, according to the arbitrator, however, since it has expired, LOA84 is the underlying agreement. The 3% annually is spelled out in LOA84.

I have to correct myself.....9% for an Airbus Cpt is about $136/hr for the East pilots, a bit under the West still, but in the ball park. With the upward movement due to attrition, we won't mind.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

LOA84 gives us a 3% raise annually until we vote in a new contract....that puts us at a 9% increase by May 2012. At that point our domestic fleet will be equivolent to the West contract and our International rate will be well beyond anything you guys make on the West side. With 60 retirements per month coming up, why would we accept anything?

There are no guarantees that we gain anything by giving in....you must think we are a bunch of suckers that will buy into your "fine deal."

And your "fine" attitudes just lend to the idea of not accepting anthing.

And don't give me your crap about 3% annually being dead, it is being worked out in the executive session.

breeze

3% being worked out in ES? With whom? Kasher? LMAO.

The decision is final, not a draft. You're not getting your 3%.

Think about it, breeze. What is there to "work out"? You either get it or you don't.

I'll give you one thing, you guys hang onto your delusions very tightly. Its pathetic really. 🙁

And you guys ARE a bunch of suckers. You give up everything for nothing!!!

 

[Move2CLT]

Breeze;
If I understand you correctly, you are entitled to a 3% raise EVERY YEAR. If so why are you only counting back 3 years (3 x 3% = 9%)? Wouldn't you get that from the time that you went on LOA93? I'm just asking.

Tally Ho.

Give him a minute. He hasn't worked out all the details of his fantasy.

 

[Move2CLT]

The moderates lack one thing they will never have...control.

Driver...

Don't be too sure there driver. The west can combine with any bloc and put it into power.

And look at the last BPR meeting. All the votes went 6 to 5.

Uh oh!

 

[mrbreeze]

3% being worked out in ES? With whom? Kasher? LMAO.

The decision is final, not a draft. You're not getting your 3%.

Think about it, breeze. What is there to "work out"? You either get it or you don't.

I'll give you one thing, you guys hang onto your delusions very tightly. Its pathetic really. 🙁

From what I understand, ES is taking place for only one reason....that is to determine if we are going to receive the 3% annually.

Sorry to burst your bubble...just couldn't buy into your idea that it's all over, "trust me", ya know....all your BS.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

From what I understand, ES is taking place for only one reason....that is to determine if we are going to receive the 3% annually.

Sorry to burst your bubble...just couldn't buy into your idea that it's all over, "trust me", ya know....all your BS.

breeze

Just hang onto it really tightly!!! I can hear the cries all the way in PHX every time that bubble bursts and I get a huge kick out of it.


And, for everyone else, breeze isn't the only pathetic eastie hanging on to a shred of hope.
Check out this pinhead's theory!! I crapped myself laughing at his email!!

Why we must appeal a negative LOA 93 decision.

I know you are busy, I’ll keep this short.

1. The companies premise is that the wording is ambiguous and is subject to interpretation, and though that may seem correct to the casual observer, I submit, from a legal interpretation it is not ambiguous.

2. This document was enacted through membership ratification and the membership could not be aware of other notes or considerations outside of the actual document. In other words, if the document is not what it states, I submit that the entire LOA is void.

I understand the nature of the arbitration process and how it is used in respect to questions regarding contract interpretation. The point here is that the membership voted on a document and a judge may understand the significance of membership ratification vs. union leadership ratification.

Thank-you
xxxx xxxxxxxx
USAPA xxxxx
PHL AB330

 

[Rookie Jr]

How on earth did you expect the two sides to not be polarized by NIC? That single thing brought the east group from simply disgruntled with ALPA from the BK mess to a full blown revolt. From the time NIC was published we have been exactly where we are now.

As an east pilot, and having friends on the west i can tell you for a fact that we are talking about a whole lot more votes than just my one. So it comes down to Parker as you said. Only problem is in his world he would love to have you guys on our payscale, not the other way around. Unless he needs it for a merger, he really does not care if the two groups are unified. ANYTHING other than what he has now costs him 100 million minimum, his own words. So far this year we are not up a 100 mill in profit. He is a numbers guy, and he will always be a numbers guy.

Whether you like the outcome of arbitration or not, you are bound to it. Had you behaved like men we would not be polarized despite your hatred of the Nic. I will agree with you on one point, Parker is a numbers man and that is the only reason you have a job here today.

 

[mrbreeze]

Just hang onto it really tightly!!! I can hear the cries all the way in PHX every time that bubble bursts and I get a huge kick out of it.


And, for everyone else, breeze isn't the only pathetic eastie hanging on to a shred of hope.
Check out this pinhead's theory!! I crapped myself laughing at his email!!

Why we must appeal a negative LOA 93 decision.

I know you are busy, I’ll keep this short.

1. The companies premise is that the wording is ambiguous and is subject to interpretation, and though that may seem correct to the casual observer, I submit, from a legal interpretation it is not ambiguous.

2. This document was enacted through membership ratification and the membership could not be aware of other notes or considerations outside of the actual document. In other words, if the document is not what it states, I submit that the entire LOA is void.

I understand the nature of the arbitration process and how it is used in respect to questions regarding contract interpretation. The point here is that the membership voted on a document and a judge may understand the significance of membership ratification vs. union leadership ratification.

Thank-you
xxxx xxxxxxxx
USAPA xxxxx
PHL AB330

Well, that guy is trying to make his point, which also says that your idea of just giving in is full of it.

Stomp your feet, hold your breath all you want to.....it ain't over yet.

Besides, it's off the subject that we are discussing.

breeze