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You would be mistaken.

AWA pilots have no idea at the level of anger on the East; the average East pilot absolutely despises the AWA pilots, and this is growing everyday...

Boeing Driver


Yeah, and where has that gotten you so far? So blind with anger you walked off the cliff and ruined 5 years of your career without a better contract.

Stay angry, it makes you do stupid things. :lol:
 
ONE poster tells you he has had enough and you apply it to over 3000 pilots. Looks like you are the one with their head up their ass?. But dream on and continue to try to convince the rest of us. You only have a few thousand left. Keep trying.

V

I'm thinking it's more like a couple hundred (TOPS), and many of them are running the "union" right now. You kids are vocal, but you are the not-so-silent minority. This is the perfect painting of the idiom "Money Talks, BS Walks".

Elections are coming up and Silver's decision will be out by mid-February. With the decision from Silver the company will act swiftly to move to a joint contract. Doug KNOWS that will cost him the AWA contract + DAL wages (at the very least). That's the beauty of a contract vote: NO ONE KNOWS HOW YOU VOTED, AND YOU CAN TELL THE NOSY BUGGER "OH, I VOTED NO!"

There is light at the end of the tunnel V, and it's a multi-ton freight train coming your way (IMHO). Look for a contract vote by June. It's up to Doug how soon he wants this ratified. I think he will low ball a couple times before he gives us enough.

Happy trails.
 
And he speaks!!!!!

And what a pearl of wisdom does he bestow upon us.

Welcome back MM. I see you're still in the anger phase.
I've never been angry, just amused especially by the comments of DUI wanting a contract, you see for the EAST to give up scope and COC language, will never happen, over in 4 years maybe, by FEB dream on!
 
I've never been angry, just amused especially by the comments of DUI wanting a contract, you see for the EAST to give up scope and COC language, will never happen, over in 4 years maybe, by FEB dream on!


I will never give up COC,
Never accept the NIC.., unmodified..

and do all I can to make as much noise to deny any merger...

The people on here that say we have no voice in a merger not going thru are clue less...

Doug wants to merger and the EAST has the ability to stop that from happening...

If Doug and the west want a merger bad enough they can fix the NIC...

if not let's make some serious noise.
 
I'm thinking it's more like a couple hundred (TOPS)

Happy trails.

Doug can get it voted in. I don't think he is going to though.

The average east line pilot is exactly what you see here though. A few ALPA boys left, a very few guys that will vote for whatever little raise they can before they retire. The 200 tops that you posted is probably about right, just not the way you think it is.

You can get NIC voted in, but it will cost more that I bet doug is willing to give. If he does great, i just don't see it happening anytime soon other than a carrot so he can merge.
 
I will never give up COC,
Never accept the NIC.., unmodified..

and do all I can to make as much noise to deny any merger...

The people on here that say we have no voice in a merger not going thru are clue less...

Doug wants to merger and the EAST has the ability to stop that from happening...

If Doug and the west want a merger bad enough they can fix the NIC...

if not let's make some serious noise.
What is even funnier, since SILVER decides the "WEST" is their own class then surely any injunction will have to include, "DUAL" ratification, just as under ALPA, if it does not surely the 9th would red flag it!
 
I will never give up COC,
Never accept the NIC.., unmodified..

and do all I can to make as much noise to deny any merger...

The people on here that say we have no voice in a merger not going thru are clue less...

Doug wants to merger and the EAST has the ability to stop that from happening...

If Doug and the west want a merger bad enough they can fix the NIC...

if not let's make some serious noise.
The Nic doesn't need fixing and Doug doesn't need the east (or west for that matter) to accomplish a merger.

At the very least, he can by off most of your east brethren when the time comes. Its a guarantee you'll jump at it.

And as for making "noise", well, we've seen what happens when you try. You've been more bark than bite and with the injunction, you don't even bark anymore. :lol:
 
Sorry Charlie,

You may think you won something here or that Silver will somehow impose the Nic but you are no closer than you ever were. Even if you are correct and a vote would pass, you wouldn't see it for years and years and years. By then, so many will have upgraded that you will have nowhere to go. You may think you won some victory but what your limited mind cannot see is that the greatest way to unify a people is to have an attack on your own soil. Nicalou was an attack, Wake was an attack, and Kasher was THE attack.

The anger that resulted in tossing ALPA is nothing in comparison to what is happening right now. So go ahead and gloat. You will be your own worst enemy. The resultant escalated hatred towards you and the company will prevent any future merger as there isn't a management company out there that would come within light years of dealing with this polarized group. In the end, if DUI Doug wants a merger he will have to either sell you off or convince a partner that there won't be a meltdown.

I also wonder how you think a vote is even in the making? News flash, Einstein; you can't vote without a complete contract and they are years and years from having one. Even then what makes you think that the NAC would even send it out to vote with their view of the Nic and the fact that the head of the NAC would be one of the ones hardest hit? Even then, should Dougweiser even make an offer that comes close to acceptable, it would then have to pass the BPR just to go to vote. With the current stance on DOH and no alteration in the bylaws, and their determination of an industry standard contract, that is not likely. On top of it all, should the Nic be forced into consideration, you can expect a complete reversal of the NAC and how and what they negotiate for. By the time it ever made it to vote, those that think the Nic would give them the windfall they believe they deserve will be sadly disappointed that they waited so long for so little.

But hang in there and keep those donations coming. Since I think it is likely that we will be back to the Ninth again and You will be back to the SCOTUS, everyone is going to need funds, so please keep those donations coming and keep your union dues paid up. We need them to continue the ongoing fight against you. You are quick to remind us how much more you make. Good for you as you will need them to support two competing attorneys.

In addition, regardless of what you may believe, most here continue to understand the meaning of a fight to the death. There will be no capitulation. One of us will become a casualty of war and it is pretty hard to overcome the majority. My bet will remain on the East.

You think the fight is over. I see it as just beginning and it just got a big reinforcement. Get ready. Once the shock of Kasher is over, this group will pick up the fight with a vigor you have yet to witness.

V
Very well said V, you really upset them to get a -5. Keep reading this westies it will sink in soon.
 
Doug can get it voted in. I don't think he is going to though.

The average east line pilot is exactly what you see here though. A few ALPA boys left, a very few guys that will vote for whatever little raise they can before they retire. The 200 tops that you posted is probably about right, just not the way you think it is.

You can get NIC voted in, but it will cost more that I bet doug is willing to give. If he does great, i just don't see it happening anytime soon other than a carrot so he can merge.
See what I mean crazy.

Your fight is over.
 
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