US Pilots Labor Discussion

[AWA320]

1 Samuel 17:45
David said to the Philistine, “You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you in the name of the LORD Almighty, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. 46 This day the LORD will deliver you into my hands, and I’ll strike you down and cut off your head. This very day I will give the carcasses of the Philistine army to the birds and the wild animals, and the whole world will know that there is a God in Israel. 47 All those gathered here will know that it is not by sword or spear that the LORD saves; for the battle is the LORD’s, and he will give all of you into our hands.”


Proverbs 28:1
The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

Proverbs 11:3
The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them.

Proverbs 11:20
The LORD detests people with crooked hearts, but he delights in those with integrity.

Matthew 6:9-15
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Pi, Chrisian's aren't perfect. We are simply forgiven. This event for me has been a very personal test of my faith. I read the anger (both sides) and wonder so many things:

Why can your pilot group as a whole agree that while you don't think the list is fair, it is final and binding? Why is it that you seek to take that seniority list from the pilot group as the only means of recovery in your aviation career? Why is it acceptable for our union to persecute 24+ AWA pilots with two RICO lawsuits (now both LOST), and continue to hold these charges in a different court over the heads of theses pilots? Why is it acceptable to attempt to exclude the west pilots from the profit sharing? Why is it acceptable to scream at the tops of your lungs that it will be unsafe for any east and west crew to fly together, simply because the west pilot group refuses to lay down and let the east pilot group walk all over them?

We are extremely disappointed in the events of the past 2.5 years. Forgiven? Yes (at least by me). Forgotten? Perhaps eventually.

If you are reading this and based in CLT, PHL or DCA....you do have a voice. It is acceptable for you to call & e-mail your representatives (and the USAPA leadership) and voice your opinion and desires.

When you talk of the east Ezekiel 25:17 fits too a tee

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish, and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper, and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, when I lay my vengeance upon thee.


AWA320

 

[Freebird]

... An election held by the majority to avoid having to honor their obligations under binding arbitration and bring certain harm to the minority. AWA320


And how are you harmed? You have your career expectations and your attrition and your seats. You have not been harmed...remember your case was not ripe because you have not been harmed. Oh yeah, you just want MY seniority and MY attrition and MY seat. Meanwhile, management laughs all of the way to the bank to deposit their bonus checks. Have a nice day and a Merry Christmas!

All sanctioned by Usapa. Read the Nicolau Award. You agreed to it. Binding Arbitration.

USAPA = Failure in motion.

 

[767jetz]

It's obvious to everybody that AWA320 is no leader. He's just a name calling juvenile.

I know that you're a thief.

Aholes like you just harden our resolve.

You're ingnorant.


You are a major LOSER.

"It's obvious to everybody" that apparently oldie (ie: butterball) is not only a narcissist but also a hypocrite.

Butterball... as in dumb as a stick of butter. (not the turkey)

 

[767jetz]

But, there are NUMEROUS examples of some posters "reengineering" the posts of others to change the context.

I don't remember one post of anyone "re-engineering" the posts of others to change the context. If there was please re-post it.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Jetz, what are the whisper numbers you're hearing for A320/73NG capt? I'm just curious whether you guys will hit 50% above LOA 93 captain pay is all. Had a DAL jumpseater this morning who said he gets a five percent payraise next month, another five percent in Jan'12, and that's when their contract is amendable. Then had an ALK captain ride along and I asked what his pay was 180ish an hour, but he was quick to point out how badly they had been screwed by the arbitrator who after 9/11 cut their pay more than what the company wanted.

Who was that arbitrator you Easties ask?

Kasher - the same one who supposedly is going to give you snapbacks when there is nothing in black and white saying wages are supposed to snap back plus all the circumstantial evidence points to the fact that you knew there were no snapbacks! Good luck with that one.

 

[Freebird]

CV580ETOPS,

I don't know if you are referring to me (Bob Moore) as poor Bob. If that is the case don't worry about "poor Bob" working for less that Air Tran pay. I have my choice of trips #1 on the 75/76 and since my almost retirement in 2007 I have been getting my pbgc monies. Now one thing you should understand is that the maximum payment for pbgc is not in the 40,000's range but can be a good bit higher and mine is higher due to the fact I had 30 years of service when our plan was terminated. I actually sap low to have more days off and it also sends some good trips to those junior to me. Bottom line is I'm working mostly for the medical bennies (my wife has very expensive IV therapy 2 days amonth) and I still like airplanes and those work work around them.

I like your CV580ETOPS name, the CV580 was my first aircraft when I started with Allegheny in "73".

Regards,

Bob Moore

Bob,

You sound like a reasonable guy who has had a fairly successful career. Congratulations for that. I'm also sorry to read you are happy to work for less than AirTran pay or whomever's payscale is larger than US Airways. If you checked around, you'd see that its almost every other airline and soon the commuters who will be making more than a Narrowbody Captain at US Airways. Sweet.

How is it that you support the idea of Usapa not complying with the Binding Arbitration? Are you a man of integrity? Do you make a practice of transgressing your word to others for your gain? It seems that you'd have a lot to gain, considering you are bidding #1 on the 767. Yet you say you support the Majority imposing upon the Minority. Did we not make a deal?

In the meantime, I'm legally changing my name so I can get out my obligations on my mortgage, auto loan, and other debts. Do you think Seham can help me with that? Not sure I can afford him though. He's busy getting rich off the US Airways pilots. Oh well.



USAPA = Slip slidin' away.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

"It's obvious to everybody" that apparently oldie (ie: butterball) is not only a narcissist but also a hypocrite.

Butterball... as in dumb as a stick of butter. (not the turkey)

It's obvious to everyone here that you're a busybody. Oh, and ignorant, as well. You must LOVE your union. Seems all the idiots do love ALPA.

Stick of butter? Really? You guys can't do better than that? You guys really amaze me with your childishness.

You guys can just admit that you've lost ALL the arguments. When you have to resort to calling people childish names, it really does mean that you've lost.

Sucks to be you.

 

[No Land Green]

Yup....I'm sure he's a real peach to fly with. Obviously I never had the pleasure to meet him ,but he always seemed like the consumate gentlelman from what I gathered from reading his posts on this webboard and others. Too bad you guys forced him to finish his carrer at less than narrobody Air Tran pay by walking away from the joint negotiations several yers ago when we ahere still under the ALPA banner.

Poor Bob. Less than Air Tran pay to the last day 🙁

He truly is a great person Convair, as I'm sure you have the same on the West side, despite all the fighting in the web board sandbox.

 

[fodase]

Bob,

You sound like a reasonable guy who has had a fairly successful career. Congratulations for that. I'm also sorry to read you are happy to work for less than AirTran pay or whomever's payscale is larger than US Airways. If you checked around, you'd see that its almost every other airline and soon the commuters who will be making more than a Narrowbody Captain at US Airways. Sweet.

How is it that you support the idea of Usapa not complying with the Binding Arbitration? Are you a man of integrity? Do you make a practice of transgressing your word to others for your gain? It seems that you'd have a lot to gain, considering you are bidding #1 on the 767. Yet you say you support the Majority imposing upon the Minority. Did we not make a deal?

In the meantime, I'm legally changing my name so I can get out my obligations on my mortgage, auto loan, and other debts. Do you think Seham can help me with that? Not sure I can afford him though. He's busy getting rich off the US Airways pilots. Oh well.



USAPA = Slip slidin' away.

Isn't it obvious that Bob is as selfish as the rest of them? He's got his (pbgc, flying past 60 etc.) and he is happy to brag about it. With people like him it is no wonder that the east pilot group as always been the cess pool of this industry.

 

[No Land Green]

I know you are trying to be funny but there is one out and spoke to a ckairman yesterday and he told me that they have been told get ready to ramp up. I saw 8 of them in the crew lounge on my last trip dressd and flying. We have been getting message via maestro (catcrew for you) to make sure our perminate bids are up to date. Something is brewing!!

AWA320

Well I hope what you are hearing happens. We can all benefit from a higher upward body count and more airframes too.

Happy Holidays!!!

 

[AWA320]

It's obvious to everyone here that you're a busybody. Oh, and ignorant, as well. You must LOVE your union. Seems all the idiots do love ALPA.

Stick of butter? Really? You guys can't do better than that? You guys really amaze me with your childishness.

You guys can just admit that you've lost ALL the arguments. When you have to resort to calling people childish names, it really does mean that you've lost.

Sucks to be you.

No butterball is reality is sucks to be you!! You have the worst pay and benefits of all legacy carriers and soon all LCC's too. Congrats butterball you easties have once again won the race to the bottom of the barrel you should be proud to be the worst of the industry.

AWA320

 

[767jetz]

It's obvious to everyone here that you're a busybody. Oh, and ignorant, as well. You must LOVE your union. Seems all the idiots do love ALPA.

Stick of butter? Really? You guys can't do better than that? You guys really amaze me with your childishness.

You guys can just admit that you've lost ALL the arguments. When you have to resort to calling people childish names, it really does mean that you've lost.

Sucks to be you.

Unbelievable that you can't see the irony, nor the motivation behind the recent change in tone. About 200 pages ago you and your lynch mob friends, many who were given amnesty from the eternal corn field, came around spouting garbage day and night that amounted to nothing but childish behavior, bravado, chest thumping, and name calling. When about 20 of us decided to let you stew in your own refuse for a while, you guys stooped even lower, flat out making things up and sending PM's with insults and flamebait hoping we'd re-engage. When some of us pointed out your childishness, reminded you that there's nothing new to talk about, and said you've obviously lost the argument if all you can do is resort to name calling, flame bait, and nostradamus' favorite past time of posting useless links to irrelevant ancient history, the attack dogs of the east (including you) stomped.

Now you are deliberately given a taste of your own medicine, and what do you do? Cry to mama, call us childish, and claim we've lost. So, obviously being on the receiving end and having someone shoot back at you for a change is not something you like, huh? Cry me a river. It's simple really... stop dishing out what you can't take. The alternative is to shut your ignorant pie hole and suck it up like a man. I'd prefer being able to exchange opinions rather than fling poo, but that's been tried and you guys continue to drag it into the gutter because you can't stand people disagreeing with you. If you don't like a street fight, then don't come to the party with an attitude and a knife. If you do you get what you deserve.

 

[No Land Green]

Isn't it obvious that Bob is as selfish as the rest of them? He's got his (pbgc, flying past 60 etc.) and he is happy to brag about it. With people like him it is no wonder that the east pilot group as always been the cess pool of this industry.

You are entitled to your opinion. However, do you really think that posting like you have above is going to lead to a safe mixed cockpit? That's a serious question.

Many people lurk on this board. I'm sure the Fed's see this drivel too.

God help us all.

 

[767jetz]

Jetz, what are the whisper numbers you're hearing for A320/73NG capt? I'm just curious whether you guys will hit 50% above LOA 93 captain pay is all.

There have been no whispers yet. Current 12 year DL rates for the 320 are 162/110 capt/fo. My council rep told me they'd be "well north of delta." Those were his exact words. Everyone will interpret that differently. My guess will be in the 180 range. It's hard to say because of all the variables. We have to put contract money where it benefits the most pilots, so for example, the 320 might be slightly lower to bring up the 757 or 777 or 747 rates. It's kind of a package deal, so sometimes it's like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Heretic]

No butterball is reality is sucks to be you!! You have the worst pay and benefits of all legacy carriers and soon all LCC's too. Congrats butterball you easties have once again won the race to the bottom of the barrel you should be proud to be the worst of the industry.

AWA320

Silly little boy. This is laughable coming from a TransStates, let alone an America West pilot. I do grant you, you certainly are well versed on bottom of the barrel with your vast experience at worst of the industry. Welcome to the party! Try not to pee in the punch bowl..