US Pilots Labor Discussion

[USA320Pilot]

USAPAWATCH.com Update: January 3, 2012

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[767one]

I am dual citizen American-Irish. Easy to get if a parent or grand parent was born there. Worth getting, its an EU work permit, its fully legal (checked with State Dept, passed 2 security background checks with it).

And, you get 4 cases of Guinesss and Smithwicks sent to your home every year.

I'm in DUB now. I need to get that dual citizenship going. Trivia.....which has been produced longer? Guiness or Smithwicks?

 

[Metroyet]

Brochure #5 hitting your East Coast mailboxes very soon. Just a heads up so you can hide it from the wife. If she know how many tens of thousands of dollars each of you wasted on a fools errand she's bail....taking half of what little you have.

 

[Schultz]

I'm in DUB now. I need to get that dual citizenship going. Trivia.....which has been produced longer? Guiness or Smithwicks?

Smithwicks. Which whiskey? Jameson or Bushmills is from the North near Derry.

 

[Zone5]

Smithwicks. Which whiskey? Jameson or Bushmills is from the North near Derry.

Smithwicks just celebrated their 300th year of production, which makes Smithwicks approximately 50 years older than Guinness. Pronounced "smiticks" by the way.

Jameson is distilled in Dublin, Bushmills in Northern Ireland.

Glad to see we are finally discussing something of importance on this blog!

seajay

 

[luvn737s]

I heard they made a movie about the US/AW merger : We Bought A Zoo

 

[Beancounter]

Parker has admitted that due to scheduling efficiencies the PHX pilot base will most likely shrink after a combined contract. I think the number was 30%, but cant' remember. The only way I would see Parker shrinking PHX further than that would be if we merged with another carrier that already had west bases, ie LAX or SLC.

Afraid I wasn't wearing a mike for that brown bag lunch. I believe he was asked the same thing at one of the recorded talks in the training center, so it's buried somewhere. Just don't act surprised when it happens, be prepared. Anyone junior on the west that doesn't want an east coast commute should be looking for another job NOW. When 65 hits, Southwest, Delta, and Alaska should be hiring.

 

[Beancounter]

Smithwicks just celebrated their 300th year of production, which makes Smithwicks approximately 50 years older than Guinness. Pronounced "smiticks" by the way.

Jameson is distilled in Dublin, Bushmills in Northern Ireland.

Glad to see we are finally discussing something of importance on this blog!

seajay

Half empty bottle of Bushmills in my bar, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'm only a smidgen irish, but it's enough.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

United States District Court
Eastern District of New York
Judge GERSHON , NINA
Friday, January 6, 2012
Courtroom 6D S
10:00 AM
Civil Cause for Oral Argument
05cv04751
NAUGLER ET AL V. AIRL LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL ET AL

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I'm in DUB now. I need to get that dual citizenship going. Trivia.....which has been produced longer? Guiness or Smithwicks?

I was thinking of going out there over MLK weekend, but its a slog from PHX (especially when you are 4P) I can't imagine the weather this time of the year is all that great, nor are there too many hours of daylight.

Wish we still flew to SNN, my relatives are N of there off Lake Corrib.

 

[traderjake]

NAUGLER ET AL V. AIRL LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL ET AL

USAPA's hail mary pass.

 

[mikey60]

I am dual citizen American-Irish. Easy to get if a parent or grand parent was born there. Worth getting, its an EU work permit, its fully legal (checked with State Dept, passed 2 security background checks with it).

And, you get 4 cases of Guinesss and Smithwicks sent to your home every year.

DUB was a great overnight but now"BOB" hordes them its not the same. Good"Smidticks"and the Bleeding Horse what a combo.

 

[fodase]

United States District Court
Eastern District of New York
Judge GERSHON , NINA
Friday, January 6, 2012
Courtroom 6D S
10:00 AM
Civil Cause for Oral Argument
05cv04751
NAUGLER ET AL V. AIRL LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL ET AL

So is this the case that will finally get rid of nicolau? God you clowns are stupid

 

[USA320Pilot]

Additions to USAPA's "What's Up on the Line": January 4, 2012

Injunction - Can US Airways Sue for Damages?
January 4, 2012

Q - Regarding the preliminary Injunction against USAPA in the Charlotte case, can US Airways sue USAPA for the amount of damages they allege a "work action" was costing them?

A - No. The Order by itself does not permit the Company to file for alleged damages. What it does allow is for them to file contempt charges with the court if they believe that future behavior by either USAPA or an individual violates the Order. They would then have to prove their contempt charge to the Court. There is a process that the Company would have to follow. It would be a different process than they use for the grievance process.

Eastern District of New York (EDNY) Lawsuit Filing
January 4, 2012

Q - Did the President consult the BPR prior to filing this lawsuit?

A - YES. The President informed the BPR via telephone prior to filing the case. The case was filed on May 27, 2011 with the Board's knowledge, and without opposition.

Many pilots believe the Company has been abusing the RLA by frustrating the negotiating, grievance and arbitration process. That being said, the factual and legal landscape was analyzed to determine if there was any way for us to protect ourselves. We determined that there was opportunity to use the courts to make the Company abide by the law. Will it be an uphill fight? Of course; it's not fun walking into Federal Court as a labor union in America. But, we believe that the pilots chose USAPA as their union because they were tired of ALPA not fighting for them, even if it is an uphill battle.

Appeal from Judge Silver
January 4, 2012

Q - “I have had some people comment that they have heard that a ruling by Judge Silver would not be able to be appealed. What is the quick and easy answer?”

A - USAPA Legal tells us that any “final decision” issued by a United States District Court can be appealed. The basic idea is that an appeal can be filed when the case before the District Court has been fully treated and has reached a full stop. So-called “interim orders”—which the District Court may issue at various stages before a final decision—are not generally appealable. These interim orders may include an order denying a motion to dismiss, an order dismissing a cross-claim or an order certifying a class, all of which have been issued in the Phoenix Declaratory Judgment action currently pending before Judge Silver. But it is absolutely clear that a final decision can be appealed.

 

[Reed Richards]

Additions to USAPA's "What's Up on the Line": January 4, 2012

Q - Did the President consult the BPR prior to filing this lawsuit?

A - YES. The President informed the BPR via telephone prior to filing the case. The case was filed on May 27, 2011 with the Board's knowledge, and without opposition.

This little tidbit of an "answer" to origin of the NY ego motivated lawsuit filing was penned by no other than USAPA's resident union buster Steve Crimi, on his double secret probation email distribution list. This from a guy who accuses others of sowing the seeds of discontent.

The President of USAPA is not allowed to spend and waste millions of dues dollars by simply "making a phone call" to the reps. There is a CBL/UOM process by which meetings are called and votes taken, with accountability due to all pilots, eventually..no matter how "secret" the matter. There are very specific timelines included to prevent political cram downs like this lawsuit. “They said it was ok on the phone” does not even come close to meeting the union criteria for such serious and expensive action.

This reminds me of Moose and Squirrel's secret trip to Parker's doorstep during the UAL fiasco. They were in such a hurry to scamper at the CEO's beck and call that they only informally consulted about half the BPR, and never informed the Treasurer. The deal was not to be before they ever met with Parker, but he sent them back anyway just to see how high they would jump. Embarrassing.

There should only be a few reasons for an "immediate" meeting with management, including an accident or alien invasion. Otherwise 24 or 48 hours will make no difference in a publically owned company. Labor has no “inside” track.

RR