US Pilots Labor Discussion

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Additions to USAPA's "What's Up on the Line": January 4, 2012



Q - Did the President consult the BPR prior to filing this lawsuit?

A - YES. The President informed the BPR via telephone prior to filing the case. The case was filed on May 27, 2011 with the Board's knowledge, and without opposition.

Many pilots believe the Company has been abusing the RLA by frustrating the negotiating, grievance and arbitration process. That being said, the factual and legal landscape was analyzed to determine if there was any way for us to protect ourselves. We determined that there was opportunity to use the courts to make the Company abide by the law. Will it be an uphill fight? Of course; it's not fun walking into Federal Court as a labor union in America. But, we believe that the pilots chose USAPA as their union because they were tired of ALPA not fighting for them, even if it is an uphill battle.

Typical of usapa communications.

Consult!

Informed!

Two different meanings. Telling the BPR what Cleary did after the action is not consulting before the action. I thought you guy got rid of the ALPA way of doing things. Looks like not.

 

[Phoenix]

Brochure #5 hitting your East Coast mailboxes very soon. Just a heads up so you can hide it from the wife. If she know how many tens of thousands of dollars each of you wasted on a fools errand she's bail....taking half of what little you have.

 

[traderjake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ_1P1Lb20o&feature=related

USAPA supporters when Leonidas calls.

 

[cactusboy53]

Actually brochure 5 is intended for the West audience. While I have yet to read what is most assuredly another home run from Leonidas, I believe it a "howz-it-goin" brief of how Leonidas has sucessfully kept the DOH "gold standard" at bay. If you are an East coast based pilot and would like to read this gem, just ask one of us while we saunter through PHL, DCA or CLT. If we have an extra, we will be more that happy to share it with you.

Barring the little hick-up in the SFO court of appeals (where this nonsense should have been concluded), all is VERY WELL. The West pilot group stands FIRMLY on LEGAL, MORAL and ETHICAL ground. Mike Cleary and Randy Mowrey agree: No arbitrated seniority list has EVER been tossed out by the courts.

LURKERS: Have you finally come to the conclusion that USAPA is nothing more that a delay machine, and that they have ALSO delayed any raise for the foreseeable future? Are you tired of the USAPA Circus and the Master of Cerimonies - Mike Cleary? Have you figured out that USAPA is not so "democratic" and most certainly NOT "transparent"? Then it is time for you to join the MAJORITY that wishes to make positive changes! Here is the short list of what to do:
1. Be sure that you are a MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING!
2. Tell your base representatives what your expectations are via e-mail and phone calls.
3. Be sure to participate in ALL voting!
4. If you have the time, please take the time to volunteer for committee work.

If you want change and a contract, NOW is the time to get involved. If you are just fine with LOA93 and separate operations because you are "entitled".....then do NOTHING.

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways-America West Pilot JNC Contract, What USAPA Gave Up, Part 4 of 9: January 5, 2012

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Update for January 5, 2012

Quick Fact #217: During the fall of 2007 the ALPA JNC was nearing completion of the post-merger pilot joint contract with the Company. One important section being finalized was Short-Term Disability. On September 25, 2007 the Company provided USAPA its Short-Term Disability Plan proposal. Should US Airways' pilots look for a new direction and seek representation by the only national union that represents major airline pilots?

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[Move2CLT]

Let's see if I've got it correctly:

Shut down any chance the east will get DOH

Prolonged their stay on LO93

Bankrupted USAPA to where they can't even fight an injunction

Etc, etc.

Ya, that works for me.

 

[nic4us]

Q - “I have had some people comment that they have heard that a ruling by Judge Silver would not be able to be appealed. What is the quick and easy answer?”

A- the quick and easy answere is...you are correct. The company is not going to appeal the judges decision. Any appeal would be the result of AOL or usapa seeking further deteminations, but would have little effect on the company's behavior once judge Silver rules.

 

[nic4us]

Actually brochure 5 is intended for the West audience. While I have yet to read what is most assuredly another home run from Leonidas, I believe it a "howz-it-goin" brief of how Leonidas has sucessfully kept the DOH "gold standard" at bay.

I think you are right.

I wonder if it is even going to be mailed this time.

One thing is for sure. This dispute will never end for me. After reading the list of injustices usapa has caused the West pilot group, I have decided that I will not let this go. These scabs are not getting off the hook.

Best for all involved that I never even meet Cleary, Mowery, Theur, Bradford, etc...

 

[No Land Green]

One thing is for sure. This dispute will never end for me. After reading the list of injustices usapa has caused the West pilot group, I have decided that I will not let this go. These scabs are not getting off the hook.

Best for all involved that I never even meet Cleary, Mowery, Theur, Bradford, etc...

Are you threatening the above named individuals? Or just venting?

NLG

 

[cactusboy53]

Are you threatening the above named individuals? Or just venting?

NLG

He's venting, and frankly......rightly so. Me? I'm planning on spending a bunch of time in CLT very soon. It's going to go one of two ways: the new BPR and "national officers" will either work to change the fabric of USAPA and it's constitution OR I'm going to make myself a royal pain in the new el Presidente' posterior. Either way...fun for you and fun for me!

 

[nic4us]

Are you threatening the above named individuals? Or just venting?

NLG

Neither.

I was commenting on the 5th Leonidas brochure, and I made a short list of some of the perpetrators responsible for West job theft.

There are actually more names, would you like me to post a more comprehensive list?

 

[Beancounter]

I think you are right.

I wonder if it is even going to be mailed this time.

One thing is for sure. This dispute will never end for me. After reading the list of injustices usapa has caused the West pilot group, I have decided that I will not let this go. These scabs are not getting off the hook.

Best for all involved that I never even meet Cleary, Mowery, Theur, Bradford, etc...

It's not worth it over something like this. Besides you never know who they are related or connected to. My father through business acquaintances was introduced to individuals who would educate people for a fee. My father was totally legitimate/law abiding, but these fellows scared the crud out of me. One guy was beat up by Hispanics when young and went on a body building spree. In his spare time, he crucified Hispanics to telephone poles. You never know for sure who you're dealing with or what it can escalate to. I'm sure you were just venting though.

 

[jetjok1]

A Fienan.

Now that's more like it. Probably a closer resemblance I would say

 

[jetjok1]

I am dual citizen American-Irish. Easy to get if a parent or grand parent was born there. Worth getting, its an EU work permit, its fully legal (checked with State Dept, passed 2 security background checks with it).

And, you get 4 cases of Guinesss and Smithwicks sent to your home every year.

Love the Smithwicks......

 

[mrbreeze]

US Airways-America West Pilot JNC Contract, What USAPA Gave Up, Part 4 of 9: January 5, 2012

Dear Subscriber,

Update for January 5, 2012

Quick Fact #217: During the fall of 2007 the ALPA JNC was nearing completion of the post-merger pilot joint contract with the Company. One important section being finalized was Short-Term Disability. On September 25, 2007 the Company provided USAPA its Short-Term Disability Plan proposal. Should US Airways' pilots look for a new direction and seek representation by the only national union that represents major airline pilots?

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So....how do we unsubscribe to all your false statements and "Obviously Biased Facts" on this web board?

It's all your opinion, which you represent as fact.....most of it is false. I haven't respected your opinion since the first UAL merger, where you personally influenced a lot of people into losing a lot of money.

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