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They are NOT CLEARLY UNIFIED on DOH. They now seek compromise on the Nic instead of DOH. Many easties are ready to move forward with the Nic.

Boo Boo,

Your "many " equal small % IMO.
The overwhelming majority now as in past simply want their expected East list progression w/o a ( younger and less years of service ) westie being placed in front and resulting detriment . Rather easy concept don't ya think. Recall all the past negotiations ( ie Weye ) that were NOT DOH only! Hence the reason the East offered restrictions / protections. Save the words........we all know how west feels bout them.
In the end, the West in " general " may realize some unwarranted gain from this "past" Nic award. Suppose if I were in your seemingly win-win scenario shoes, I too would so adamantly defend Nic.
That said.........greedy pigs tend to get stuck.

FA
 
Boo Boo,

Your "many " equal small % IMO.
The overwhelming majority now as in past simply want their expected East list progression w/o a ( younger and less years of service ) westie being placed in front and resulting detriment . Rather easy concept don't ya think. Recall all the past negotiations ( ie Weye ) that were NOT DOH only! Hence the reason the East offered restrictions / protections. Save the words........we all know how west feels bout them.
In the end, the West in " general " may realize some unwarranted gain from this "past" Nic award. Suppose if I were in your seemingly win-win scenario shoes, I too would so adamantly defend Nic.
That said.........greedy pigs tend to get stuck.

FA

Complete nonsense there boo boo. It's not a small percentage by any means. Guys on this board are now looking at accepting the Nic. Many are done. Cleary saw this and ran you guys into a corner. The frustration is mounting on the east.

All you guys offered at Wye was DOH with a different twist. Nothing new. Your bottom guy was put next to our bottom guy. Very fair.

Karma is a #### and one day it'll catch up to you. Reneging on your word will come back to haunt you. In the mean time you're paying for it with LOA 93.

And like you said, greedy pigs do get stuck. You're about to feel it even more real soon.
 
Big breasted and not fat? :lol:

The Internet is amazing at just how good it can make you look, isn't it?

Don't forget to tell your husband the Nic is it - no compromise.

I don't need the internet to make me look good. I credit great genes and hard work.
How does that quote go...
"They're real and they're spectacular"

But we'll go with your idea of me...you're right I'm huge, I'm so fat that you need to take a bus and two trains to get on my good side...

Move, I'm sure you're a 6'3" Adonis, with a head full of thick lustrous hair, piercing eyes, a chiseled jawline, a mind full of encyclopedic knowledge, you help little old ladies cross the street, rescue kittens from trees (and from SWA pilots)...stop me if I'm getting any of that wrong...it's exactly how I picture you when I read your posts. It reminds me of being a teenager and fawning over those heartthrobs in magazines like Tiger Beat.

So thank you for your posting at a rapid pace...it thrills me when I can go over a few pages of postings and see that you've made 87% of them. I want to be the president of your fan club! If I can't be the president I at least want to be a member. You definitely have me in your corner...I'll defend you to the Nth!
 
I don't need the internet to make me look good. I credit great genes and hard work.
How does that quote go...
"They're real and they're spectacular"

But we'll go with your idea of me...you're right I'm huge, I'm so fat that you need to take a bus and two trains to get on my good side...

Move, I'm sure you're a 6'3" Adonis, with a head full of thick lustrous hair, piercing eyes, a chiseled jawline, a mind full of encyclopedic knowledge, you help little old ladies cross the street, rescue kittens from trees (and from SWA pilots)...stop me if I'm getting any of that wrong...it's exactly how I picture you when I read your posts. It reminds me of being a teenager and fawning over those heartthrobs in magazines like Tiger Beat.

So thank you for your posting at a rapid pace...it thrills me when I can go over a few pages of postings and see that you've made 87% of them. I want to be the president of your fan club! If I can't be the president I at least want to be a member. You definitely have me in your corner...I'll defend you to the Nth!
Thank you. I was wondering who was +Ing my posts and launching me past 2700 to date.

And I'm 6'2". Everything else is spot on.
 
I don't need the internet to make me look good. I credit great genes and hard work.
How does that quote go...
"They're real and they're spectacular"

But we'll go with your idea of me...you're right I'm huge, I'm so fat that you need to take a bus and two trains to get on my good side...

Move, I'm sure you're a 6'3" Adonis, with a head full of thick lustrous hair, piercing eyes, a chiseled jawline, a mind full of encyclopedic knowledge, you help little old ladies cross the street, rescue kittens from trees (and from SWA pilots)...stop me if I'm getting any of that wrong...it's exactly how I picture you when I read your posts. It reminds me of being a teenager and fawning over those heartthrobs in magazines like Tiger Beat.

So thank you for your posting at a rapid pace...it thrills me when I can go over a few pages of postings and see that you've made 87% of them. I want to be the president of your fan club! If I can't be the president I at least want to be a member. You definitely have me in your corner...I'll defend you to the Nth!
Good Post and observations about Move to... He is really good at insulting f/a's .... I am sure that someone spiked his coffee one to many times and he could not make it to the toilet fast enough. He can not understand why he had that happen. He is one of those who has no life, cuz he can not relate to women as you see here. Oh, he cant relate to anyone for that matter. That is why he wants to move. His counterparts in PHX can't wait for him to transfer. But... He will be eaten alive in CLT... I remember a f/a that back when we had paper transfers kept getting transferred out of every base we had! Numerous times. Its sad!
 
Good Post and observations about Move to... He is really good at insulting f/a's .... I am sure that someone spiked his coffee one to many times and he could not make it to the toilet fast enough. He can not understand why he had that happen. He is one of those who has no life, cuz he can not relate to women as you see here. Oh, he cant relate to anyone for that matter. That is why he wants to move. His counterparts in PHX can't wait for him to transfer. But... He will be eaten alive in CLT... I remember a f/a that back when we had paper transfers kept getting transferred out of every base we had! Numerous times. Its sad!

Look who just popped up! I don't insult FAs. I just point out the stupidity in their posts. And you keep me busy with that.
 
The above statement is totally FALSE Professor!!!

My source who WAS there validated this years ago, nice try.

NLG out.

So what does your source say?

What was the offer? I am certain there was no offer.

The ignorant east , who to this day has no idea of their position, made demands, not offers. As I recall it went something like, we are not doing this Nic thing, or we throw ALPA off the property.

Oh, holy crap,,,,I have had it wrong all along,,,,,I guess the east did understand that they were capable union busters.
 
The above statement is totally FALSE Professor!!!

My source who WAS there validated this years ago, nice try.

NLG out.
No, the east found out the west was unwilling to negotiate against itself. The east never offered to come off DOH, only to mask it with some transparent C&R's. USAPA sought the input of ONE west pilot when crafting that crap, which should tell you what a priority they put on west opinion.

That has yet to change as evidenced by the 8-3 votes.
 
January 17, 2012



Gary,



Recently I was in the CLT hotel where the USAPA volunteers stay. As I was walking through the 3rd floor hallway returning to my room from dinner on Monday evening at around 8 pm, the hotel was very quiet but I could hear a very loud voice. As I walked toward my room, the voice became even louder and I could plainly hear that it was you speaking on the telephone. I went into my room, which was adjacent to your room, and you were speaking so loudly that I was literally forced to hear this telephone conversation coming from your room. I say forced, because your conversation was being conducted at such a very high volume that I had no opportunity to not hear what was taking place. For the record, there is a witness to all of this.



And what I was hearing was very disturbing Gary, and therefore feel compelled to bring this to your attention and to the attention of the Board. These are some of the words spoken by you that evening:



· Eric Ferguson and l will work together during the election; we have a very strong relationship.

· We will cooperate and concentrate on beating Cleary and we plan on keeping it cordial between us, although Eric is going to run for President.

· Cleary is delusional, he has lost it if he thinks he can tell me who I can talk to. I will call the DOL about the Cleary letter to Seham.

· Seham had better sue Ken and Barbie.

· I asked Eric to stop the "the west backs Cleary" stickers; he said they were old news and that they would work together although Eric will run for President.

· I will forward the letter that Cleary wrote to Seham to Bradford.



What is highly problematic here Gary is that you are an Officer of USAPA. For you to be conspiring with one of the founders of Leonidas to harm your fellow officer, in this case the USAPA President, is very clearly placing the goals of the majority of the pilot group in great jeopardy. Conspiring with a group that is involved in a long standing legal battle to deprive the majority of the USAPA pilots of their rightful seniority is a shameful, traitorous act.



Over the next few weeks our attorneys will be engaged in confidential briefings on the Phoenix Declaratory litigation strategy with the officers and BPR. At that time, the BPR may be asked to make decisions regarding our strategy. Those members of the Board who are directly antagonistic to our fight to preserve the Seniority rights have in the past rightfully recused themselves from those deliberations. Since you have now aligned yourself with the Leonidas group and those who would cause serious harm to the lives of the majority of our members, I call upon you to also recuse yourself from those deliberations. It is simply unacceptable for the Board to have one who has in effect declared himself to be an ally of the antagonistic parties in the Phoenix litigation be present while we receive advice from and make decisions with our attorneys. In the absence of your voluntary recusal, I will ask the board to bar you from any deliberations regarding the Phoenix case.



Mike Cleary



Cc: Board Member and Officers Personal email addresses
" OUCH" !
 
Hmmm. So does Gary Hummel no longer support DOH, or does Eric Ferguson no longer support the NIC?
 
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