US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

So you have come to accept the current status and want no better. Okay, I get it. And I do care uhaul. I know you and pre really want out of hell and I'm here to help.

Thanks Brat. I'm looking forward to AVL, my MacBook should be safe there! CLT really sounds trashy according to YouSAPa

 

[Res Judicata]

Some have debated the safety of the USAPA offices.

What has become of Charlotte? The number of police cars cruising the city is simply amazing to me. Today I was shocked to see a police tower in the new Walmart parking lot.

All types of crime has run rampant in CLT. The number of labor laws violated by fake unions has skyrocketed in recent years.

 

[cleardirect]

FA's get TA! Nice job AFA! Uh USAPA...not so much.

Congratulations to the F/A's.

So usapa is the only work group unable to work with the company to get a contract. My prediction is the NMB tells us to go away for 6 months.

Unbelievable. Cleary has managed to piss off SWAPA, CAPA, IBT, west pilots, management, the NMB, federal judges, east pilots and one of the few labor lawyers in the country. Way to go usapa.

 

[diamondcutter]

I have a question...not trying to start anything . If US and AA merge and AA having the majority would USAPA be gone ..along with all the law suits. Just curious

 

[cleardirect]

I have a question...not trying to start anything . If US and AA merge and AA having the majority would USAPA be gone ..along with all the law suits. Just curious

There would have to be an election but yes usapa would be gone. The law suit in NY would be gone. The injunction would remain. As long as the Nicolau is used in the next seniority integration the west would not need to file again.

 

[diamondcutter]

There would have to be an election but yes usapa would be gone. The law suit in NY would be gone. The injunction would remain. As long as the Nicolau is used in the next seniority integration the west would not need to file again.

Nicolas could be used in an AA union seniority integration ?....and thanks for the info

 

[traderjake]

Thanks Brat. I'm looking forward to AVL, my MacBook should be safe there! CLT really sounds trashy according to YouSAPa

I would look at the Greenville - Spartenburg, SC area west of I 85.

 

[USA320Pilot]

DCA Domicile Update: January 26, 2012

Fellow DCA Pilots,

Conference Call: The Board of Pilot Representatives (BPR) held a conference call on January 23, 2012 to address two items brought up by your DCA representatives. Former USAPA President Steve Bradford, DCA 737 Captain, served for Pete on the call so we would not incur the cost of Pete having to drop a trip. The first item was a resolution to document the procedures used by USAPA to fill committee positions, and the second agenda item was to fulfill a requirement of a resolution passed in October 2011 mandating BPR review of a legal billing audit underway no less than every 60 days.

Committees: We submitted a resolution on committee staffing that was passed by the Board. The resolution clarifies how committee positions are staffed and puts in writing means to achieve some of the founding USAPA goals of transparency and pilot participation. It states for the record that the board desires that the pilot group be aware of imminent appointments prior to selection and directs the Union Operating Manual (UOM) Committee to craft language for BPR approval to "advertise all specific committee openings to the membership prior to appointments." It also directs that language be crafted for approval requiring "interviews before appointments can be made to" the Communications, Grievance, Merger, Negotiations and Safety Committees, all positions which are, or are likely to be, full flight pay loss status jobs.

(Note - Resolutions and votes shown in this Recap are not official until meeting minutes are approved by the BPR.)

Resolution:

WHEREAS, The Constitution and By-Laws states:

"The President, subject to the advice and approval of the Board of Pilot Representatives, shall appoint, remove and replace members to the standing committees established by the Board of Pilot Representatives", and

WHEREAS, the Union Operating Manual States:

"The President shall make all appointments to committees and subcommittees as per the Constitution and Bylaws. Such appointments or removals are subject to the approval or rejection of the BPR which will occur at the next BPR meeting after the appointment(s) or removal(s).

All committees and their members, including ad-hoc committees will be listed on the USAPA Website. The list of ad-hoc committees shall include the inception date of each committee.

The President may call for interviews for committee assignments to be conducted at BPR meetings." And,

WHEREAS, several committees to include the Communications Committee, Grievance Committee, Negotiating Advisory Committee and Safety Committee are or can be full time positions where members are on full flight pay loss which is paid by the membership;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, the Board wishes to:

1. Ensure that the pilot group is aware of imminent appointments prior to selection,
2. Be made aware of the qualifications of candidates, and
3. Be able to provide "advice" prior to appointments, and,

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the BPR hereby directs the UOM Committee to craft the language for BPR approval and inclusion in the UOM which states that the President shall have the Communications Committee advertise all specific committee openings to the membership prior to appointments; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the BPR directs the UOM Committee to craft language for BPR approval and inclusion in the UOM which states that the President shall call for interviews before appointments can be made to the Communications Committee, Grievance Committee, Merger Committee, Negotiating Committee and Safety Committee.

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED that appointments and removals are addressed at the next BPR meeting or as soon as practical.

The motion passed 6-5.

We believe these to be important improvements to be included in the UOM. There is no change to the Constitution and Bylaws, but it is a clarification on how committee members are selected for current and future leadership. These policies have been used to varying degrees to date, but now should produce a more consistent opportunity for transparency to the pilot group and selection of the best qualified pilot for each vacancy.

Legal Billing Audit: The second agenda item was needed since we were long overdue on a resolution requirement to get a report from the President on the legal billing audit being conducted (first due by December 3, 2011) and then for the Board to discuss "whether or not to continue support of the audit." We had Board discussion of the audit and a suggested resolution for action. The agenda item was tabled and is to be continued at the next BPR meeting to allow the President and Treasurer the opportunity to obtain updated information on the status of the audit to include the costs and expected completion date.

We believe that the Board has established a clear position supporting the audit of all legal bills since the audit resolution passed unanimously last October. However, we do not support statements either in support of, or of a derogatory nature, about any firm until we receive a report on the findings of the audit. That said, if individuals or businesses that do or did work for USAPA do not cooperate with our reasonable requests for information related to that work, we support termination of the business relationship. At that time the Board should decide what action, legal or otherwise, is appropriate.

PIC Audit: During the President's report, a contract for services was presented to the Board for yet another audit, this one for the Pension Investigation Committee (PIC) funds. We objected to this item for a number of reasons. The written agreement was emailed to the board at 1410 ET, just 20 minutes prior to the beginning of our conference call scheduled to start at 1430. We questioned the short time for review and also raised other concerns. These included questioning the cost, if the money would come from the PIC funds or general funds; why an audit did not specify the participation of the USAPA Treasurer; and why no other competitive bids were presented. We supported getting answers to all of those questions and resubmission to the Board, but the issue was moved to a vote and failed to pass.

DCA Domicile Meeting: Please mark your calendar for February 2, 2012 for our next domicile meeting. The meeting will begin at 1100 and will be in the conference room above the Delta security check point at National Airport. We will discuss recent events to include LOA 93, the legal injunction, negotiations, Teamsters, the Hotel Committee, and other items of interest to the DCA pilots.

One Last Important Note: We have learned that DCA Airbus Captain Bill Bandlow was recently diagnosed with a serious illness and survived a very dangerous operation. He still has a difficult and lengthy battle ahead of him and we wish him and his family all the best towards his full recovery. If you would like to send Bill a note or a card, his address is:

Bill Bandlow
13902 Vista Dr.
Rockville, MD 20853

Fraternally,

Joe & Pete


Joe Stein
DCA Chairman
Jstein@usairlinepilots.org

Pete Dugstad
DCA Vice Chairman
Pdugstad@usairlinepilots.org

Or reach us both at
DCA@usairlinepilots.org

 

[OTTER574]

I would look at the Greenville - Spartenburg, SC area west of I 85.

I hear the taxes are less in SC...But hey, when you don't make much (LOA93), what's the difference?... 😀

OTTER

 

[high*flyer]

Nicolas could be used in an AA union ???

The NIC award was specific, pertaining only to the US merger with AW. Though it brings up a good question... If it is put into effect, and a merger with AA takes place with the seniority issue decided by DOH; how are the hire dates chosen for the combined USAirways pilot group while keeping the same relative position?

 

[cynic]

Nicolas could be used in an AA union ???

The NIC award was specific, pertaining only to the US merger with AW. Though it brings up a good question... If it is put into effect, and a merger with AA takes place with the seniority issue decided by DOH; how are the hire dates chosen for the combined USAirways pilot group while keeping the same relative position?

It would result in another DFR lawsuit if USAPA and the APA agreed on a straight date of hire integration. Any integration between US and AA would require consideration of the relative position of the pilot.

 

[nic4us]

Nicolas could be used in an AA union ???

The NIC award was specific, pertaining only to the US merger with AW. Though it brings up a good question... If it is put into effect, and a merger with AA takes place with the seniority issue decided by DOH; how are the hire dates chosen for the combined USAirways pilot group while keeping the same relative position?

The only combined system seniority list at LCC is the Nicolau award. So, not only could the Nic be used, it is the only list available to use.

Also, the completely ironic thing about your question and DOH, is the only list that is actually in DOH order is the AWA seniority list. Both the east list and the AA list are not in DOH order, and the AA list is far from being in a DOH order. So, in an AA/LCC merger, seniority integration would happen based on the AA list and the Nic, and an individuals personal DOH would not be the driving factor of where they fell on the combined list.

 

[prechilill]

Nicolas could be used in an AA union ???

The NIC award was specific, pertaining only to the US merger with AW. Though it brings up a good question... If it is put into effect, and a merger with AA takes place with the seniority issue decided by DOH; how are the hire dates chosen for the combined USAirways pilot group while keeping the same relative position?

The east seniority list isn't DOH

 

[nic4us]

It would result in another DFR lawsuit if USAPA and the APA agreed on a straight date of hire integration. Any integration between US and AA would require consideration of the relative position of the pilot.

And, that lawsuit would include the corporation if they accepted any seniority list that was derived in a means that circumvented or did not consider the Nic.

 

[OTTER574]

And, that lawsuit would include the corporation if they accepted any seniority list that was derived in a means that circumvented or did not consider the Nic.

Company officials have stated it under oath and usapa knows it.....Joint contract with the company implements the NIC as spelled out in the Transitional Agreement.

usapa = a corrupted union/delay game and that's all.

OTTER