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Good to see USAPA counsel finally getting it re: Nicolau,

"USAPA had and has good reasons to propose the Nicolau Award . . ."

Page 14 of their brief.

I agree. One very good reason is because the Nicolau is the only legal list. We need to knock off this insanity and stay within the legal lines so we can get a contract like every other airline employee group on the planet is getting.
 
My question is how much better off would the pilots be with a new contract than going into the next binding arbitration the lowest paid major airline pilots?

At least USAPA will prosper because if US Airways is involved in another merger USAPA can automatically raise pilot dues 1/2 percent for a group that is already the lowest paid and highest taxed pilots in the country.
 
MM..I like you don't know how Judge Silver will rule in the company's DJ suit against usapa and the west class.

If it goes the way I think, the company accepted the NIC under oath and stated they must accept NIC in front of Judge Silver via the TA.

I'm wondering what usapa will appeal to the 9th? If Judge Silver makes it's clear that LCC will be liable for breaking the TA/contract and in effect colluding with usapa for a DOH illegal list. What will the 9th decide if they elect to hear the appeal in the first place? Legality of a contract (TA) or decide the company can break a contract (TA) to satisfy a known corrupt union (permanent injunction) and some AFO's?

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If I gave you a penny for your thoughts I would get change back! MM!
 
My question is how much better off would the pilots be with a new contract than going into the next binding arbitration the lowest paid major airline pilots?

At least USAPA will prosper because if US Airways is involved in another merger USAPA can automatically raise pilot dues 1/2 percent for a group that is already the lowest paid and highest taxed pilots in the country.
They say truth is greater than fiction. Look your mother had you! MM!
 
I guess I'm behind the curve...

You got that part right. You said he would NEVER not run. Just admit you were wrong. Why is it that hard for you guys?

If you would stop and think before you post you might have thought that maybe I had a clue that he wasn't running when I posted that. Silly me, look at who I'm talking to, the most wound up non-westie in the world.
 
Good to see USAPA counsel finally getting it re: Nicolau,

"USAPA had and has good reasons to propose the Nicolau Award . . ."

Page 14 of their brief.

I agree. One very good reason is because the Nicolau is the only legal list. We need to knock off this insanity and stay within the legal lines so we can get a contract like every other airline employee group on the planet is getting.
READ ON, I BELIEVE that isn't the meaning, your correct this insanity is useless, a LOS solution like every other group is the only way, NAUGHLER ON DECK! MM!
 
READ ON, I BELIEVE that isn't the meaning, your correct this insanity is useless, a LOS solution like every other group is the only way, NAUGHLER ON DECK! MM!
 

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If I gave you a penny for your thoughts I would get change back! MM!

Please read and try to understand next time mm. Thanks for the known comments from you. BTW, I have a penny and much more. Sorry for you if you're a loa93'er/bankrupt wages till the last day.

USAPA must have an objectively legitimate union
purpose to justify implementing a collective bargaining
agreement that would dishonor the Nicolau arbitration.
Under Barton Brands and its progeny, a union must have an objectively
legitimate purpose—something other than a desire to satisfy the majority—to
justify dishonoring a valid arbitrated final resolution of a seniority integration
dispute. Because the validity of the Nicolau arbitration is res judicata, USAPA
must have an objectively legitimate union purpose to justify implementing a
collective bargaining agreement that would dishonor that arbitration."


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READ ON, I BELIEVE that isn't the meaning, your correct this insanity is useless, a LOS solution like every other group is the only way, NAUGHLER ON DECK! MM!
Or maybe it isn't. Keep dreaming for Naughler to come through for you. Nothing funnier than seeing a disappointed eastholio.

Nic is it.
 
In your opinion it's the nic,, are you serious? we are in the legal process remember?
some of you guys are not too smart.

Actually,,,it is the Nic,,,,,or maybe you can point to another contractually mandated seniority list that was completed, then accepted and PAID for by the company, as per their obligation.

The legal process we are in now is to determine whether or not the company can be on the hook if they agree with the scab union and renegotiate the contract that called for the list without representation of the West pilots who are signators of that contract.

The east has not understood its position since day one. Bottom line, the West controls whether or not the West will sue the corporation or any successor airline parties, and the basic fact of the matter is the West has a winning case, already proven once by jury trial. Go ahead LCC, make it "unquestionably ripe". For that matter, in the context of the hypothetical AMR merger, go ahead LCC, AMR, APA, make it "unquestionably ripe" the West would love that because your pockets are soooooooo much deeper than the scab unions bankrupt treasury.

"not too smart",,,,,get back to me when you get a clue.
 
USAPA CAN SEEK TO AMEND THE TRANSITION AGREEMENT
CONSISTENT WITH ITS DUTY OF FAIR REPRESENTATION TO THE
WEST PILOTS.
That being the argument heading on the company's summary judgment motion filed minutes ago. Pretty much sums it up.
 
That being the argument heading on the company's summary judgment motion filed minutes ago. Pretty much sums it up.

Got to go read this somewhere, from your quote it looks as if the company is arguing in usapa's favor.
 
Got to go read this somewhere, from your quote it looks as if the company is arguing in usapa's favor.
No. It's 100% correct and not in USAPA's favor. Read the last paragraph. USAPA can't escape DFR scrutiny. The company makes this a very simple and straightforward case. Two pages to lay the law out there; and they cite to Judge Wake in the process.

"Although the Transition Agreement is binding on USAPA and US Airways, it
expressly provides that it “may be modified by the written agreement of the Association
and the Airline Parties.” (See Hollinger Decl. Exh. C, § XII.B at p. 14.) In seeking to
amend the Transition Agreement, however, USAPA’s conduct is regulated by its duty of
fair representation (“DFR”) to the West Pilots. In other words, its actions cannot be
arbitrary, discriminatory, or in bad faith. See generally Air Line Pilots Ass’n v. O’Neill,
499 U.S. 65, 78 (1991); Beck v. United Food & Commercial Workers Union, Local 99,
506 F.3d 874, 879 (9th Cir.2007); Bernard v. Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l,
873 F.2d 213, 216 (9th Cir. 1989).

In prior litigation between the West Pilots and USAPA, District Judge Neil V.
Wake reviewed the relevant decisions and interpreted this DFR standard to mean that
USAPA must have “some legitimate union objective” in advocating for a non-Nicolau
seniority list, and that “by adopting and promoting a certain integrated seniority list for no
reason other than to favor one group of employees at the expense of another,” USAPA
had breached its DFR. Addington v. US Airline Pilots Ass’n, No. CV 08-1633-PHXNVW,
2009 WL 2169164, at *11 (D. Ariz. July 17, 2009);10 see also id. at *11


(discussing Bernard v. Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, “Under Bernard, a union may
not diverge from its merger policy solely to advance the seniority rights of union members
at the expense of non-union members.”); id. (discussing Truck Drivers, Local Union 568
v. NLRB, 379 F.2d 137, 143 (D.C. Cir. 1967), “Of particular relevance was the union’s
sole motivation to ‘win[ ] an election by a promise of preferential representation to the
numerically larger number of voters.’”); but see id. at *14 (discussing Rakestraw v. United
Airlines, 981 F.2d 1524, 1535 (7th Cir. 1992), “By acting to restore a seniority system visa-
vis newly hired pilots, the union served the legitimate objective of “stability” by
protecting long-term employee expectations against outright erasure.”).

US Airways submits that the Court’s resolution of the defendants’ cross-motions
for summary judgment should be based on the Court’s application of the above-recited
DFR standard and related case law to the circumstances of this case. In determining
“whether or not the principles of duty of fair representation permit USAPA to make a
proposal to change the transition agreement and to present a list other than Nicolau” (See
Hollinger Decl. Exh. G at 32:24-33:1), US Airways submits that the salient material facts
are undisputed, and that the Court is therefore in a position to definitively rule on the
defendants’ cross-motions for summary judgment as to Counts 1 and 2 of Complaint, and
issue a declaration that: (i) entry into a CBA with a non-Nicolau seniority list would
constitute a violation of USAPA’s DFR and US Airways is therefore prohibited from
implementing a non-Nicolau seniority list; or alternatively (ii) entry into a CBA with a
non-Nicolau seniority list would not constitute a violation of USAPA’s DFR and US
Airways is therefore not prohibited from implementing a non-Nicolau seniority list. "
 
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