US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

You're the one with all the inside info, why Cleary is not running for reelection?

The short, fat, bad hair cut guy with a napoleon complex is not running for usapa's president??? WtF

And to think I thought up a jingle to help him run...

"cleary, cleary he's our man...It take's a lot of money to screw the west...no one better than I can...."

I know, and honestly it sound's better to music...btw, pictures don't work in this case.

OTTER

 

[BoeingBoy]

Ya, sure.

As we were wrapping up the conversation and and starting to go on our ways, when I asked if he thought the NIC would impact training. He laughed and said that word has it that that will never be a factor. Idk, but he is a level headed, fair and honest guy.

breeze

[I quoted the wrong post when I initially posted this. It's the correct quote now. Sorry 'bout that.]

That's supposed to be big news? Here's a hint - vacancies require training and who is being trained doesn't change that. So the check airmen will be doing the same training no matter what happens with/without Nic. The Nic, from the perspective of a check airman, will be a non-event - i.e. not a factor. It's not surprising that you jumped to the conclusion that he'd answered a question you didn't ask - will Nic affect who he'll be training...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

It is not just displaced captains.

All pilots have reinstatement rights to their Seat, Domicile, Equiptment.

Brat's probably forgotten but that's the way it was at PI - first right of refusal to go back to a position displaced from. In order of seniority among those in the same situation, of course.

Then the cool northern efficiency took over and there would be vacancy bidders awarded a position - PHL 767 FO for example - while at the same time pilots were being displaced from the same position.

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

If you guys think this is going to go your way with this argument...well, you have a better chance with Naughler.

I could have written a better argument. Still trying to rehash the Nic award - not happening.

USAPA's legal update:

USAPA's motion argues principally that it has the right as a newly certified bargaining representative to negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement without regard to any agreement that might have been made by the prior representative and that a seniority system based on date of hire is completely legitimate and does not violate the duty of fair representation. USAPA has supported its motion with full statement of facts laying out the history of the merger and the seniority dispute; explaining the importance of seniority; describing both the glaring flaws in the Nicolau Award and the extensive conditions and restrictions incorporated in USAPA's proposal which are designed to protect the legitimate interests and expectations of West pilots; and demonstrating both the long terms losses suffered by East pilots and the losses to all pilots resulting from the continuing delay in reaching a new industry standard agreement. USAPA asks the Court to enter judgment declaring that it is not required to adhered to the Nicolau Award and that US Airways is therefore required to negotiate concerning USAPA's Conditions and Restrictions Proposal. USAPA also asks the Court to enter judgment denying US Airways remarkable and unprecedented claim that it should be given prospective immunity from liability without regard to what seniority provision is included in a successor agreement.

 

[BoeingBoy]

the extensive conditions and restrictions incorporated in USAPA's proposal[/i]

That part is funny. Either USAPA is so naive and doesn't know any better or they're doing what I said all along - putting just enough weak C&R's in to make an uninformed outsider think that there are real protections. With a merger like this, if you can put the C&R's required by DOH on a postcard they're definitely not "extensive"... Just look at the Kagel award in the US/PI merger (which in some ways was closer to equal than this one) - he put in a dozen or more 8.5 x11 pages of C&R's and even they didn't provide the protection he intended after Resource Planning got done with them.

Jim

 

[nic4us]

The Sun is going to rise in the East tomorrow.......are you going to refute that?

I will refute that obviously east, oversimplification of a not very complicated process.

You see, we are only slightly one month past the winter solstice, so the sun does not rise in the east. Since the planet we are on is tilted at about 23.5 degrees to the ecliptic, the position of the sunrise varies with seasons, and this time of year rises somewhat South of east.

Now as far as usapa is concerned, the sunset will definitely come from the West.

suns position at sunrise

Press the play button on the link to view movement of the sun throughout the seasons.

 

[fifidriver]

... USAPA also asks the Court to enter judgment denying US Airways remarkable and unprecedented claim that it should be given prospective immunity from liability without regard to what seniority provision is included in a successor agreement.[/i]

Holy ****!!! This might actually be the first thing that USAPA has done that might benefit me! All these years! All the dollars I've sent them! And to think that they did all that with my best interests in mind.... Oh wait... Maybe not...

 

[mrbreeze]

[I quoted the wrong post when I initially posted this. It's the correct quote now. Sorry 'bout that.]

That's supposed to be big news? Here's a hint - vacancies require training and who is being trained doesn't change that. So the check airmen will be doing the same training no matter what happens with/without Nic. The Nic, from the perspective of a check airman, will be a non-event - i.e. not a factor. It's not surprising that you jumped to the conclusion that he'd answered a question you didn't ask - will Nic affect who he'll be training...

Jim

Oh....damn!

I keep forgetting that you see all and that you were there listening to the conversation and saw how stupid I was to take his words to mean exactly what he spoke. I will try to do better in the future.

Now, since you get around so much, which finger am I holding up? 😀

breeze

 

[Claxon]

Maybe his smile is throwing you off. I don't usually see a smile on you easties when I see you in the terminals.


http://waypointsg.com/testimonials_test

Toward the bottom.

The only terminals you see are where the pipes connect to the body of the Kohlers, where the movements to Charlotte take place.

 

[Move2CLT]

The only terminals you see are where the pipes connect to the body of the Kohlers, where the movements to Charlotte take place.

[clap, clap, clap]

That was cute Claxon Mutandis. Now that you've made your noise, you can go back to bed.

 

[Claxon]

[clap, clap, clap]

That was cute Claxon Mutandis. Now that you've made your noise, you can go back to bed.

Is that a photo of your mentor, Sandusky? We thought you might have played a few rounds of touch football with him.

 

[Move2CLT]

Is that a photo of your mentor, Sandusky? We thought you might have played a few rounds of touch football with him.

Wow, Claxon. You've just insulted a fellow eastie and USAPA officer.

Congratulations.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The only terminals you see are where the pipes connect to the body of the Kohlers, where the movements to Charlotte take place.

Also nice to see that the hero of the stupid is still alive and well. How's Apollo?

 

[Move2CLT]

He left you and Elmer hanging. Glad those buttons gave you "personal" satisfaction.

Looks like another calculated move by Cleary and gang.

All the originals have bailed and Cleary is walking away because he doesn't want to be the one in office when the Nic makes it onto the property.

He's left the next president with no leverage, no options, no chance, and a highly polarized east constituency.

Next eastie the gets in there is going to take the fall for Nic because it'll be on his watch.

 

[Pi brat]

Brat's probably forgotten but that's the way it was at PI - first right of refusal to go back to a position displaced from. In order of seniority among those in the same situation, of course.

Then the cool northern efficiency took over and there would be vacancy bidders awarded a position - PHL 767 FO for example - while at the same time pilots were being displaced from the same position.

Jim

Yeah, I forgot that. The first time someone explained to me how US Air's bid closing worked I said "You've got to be kidding me". They weren't and as you've explained it can have implications when we have joint bids, if we keep our process. Having first right of refusal might benefit both sides.