US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

ANOTHER resounding ALPA victory coming back to haunt us. Using N numbers (which can be changed) instead of Serial Numbers, which cannot. The pack of dullards at ALPA national legal really impress me - not.
You just have to shake your head at the utter lack of competence that we collectively paid for with ALPA dues.
Geez!
Cheers.

Amazing how many geniuses we have after the fact.

 

[cleardirect]

ANOTHER resounding ALPA victory coming back to haunt us. Using N numbers (which can be changed) instead of Serial Numbers, which cannot. The pack of dullards at ALPA national legal really impress me - not.
You just have to shake your head at the utter lack of competence that we collectively paid for with ALPA dues.
Geez!
Cheers.

Do you have any questions about the competence of usapa legal advice or do you think they are perfect? Getting your moneys worth from Seham and the new guys?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Actually, I think that if the company started playing games with the re-registered planes it would be a grievance even TP could win. The intent is pretty clear - pilots on one side can't fly planes that the other side brought to the merger until pilot integration. If TP lost that one she should be keel hauled.

Jim

 

[A320 Driver]

The TA is N number specific but the FOM is not.

You are correct though, I was thinking AQP, sim etc..as training, and checkairmen could do that, but, they would also have to fly the line to do IOE etc. So, you are right.

CPs though different story. But, there is a requirement that they are familiar with the respective pilot contracts, so probably not feasible.

Jeff is a good guy, but has kids in highschool out here in PHX. Don't think he would be interested.

I'm having a problem following this thread. The CLT CPs were replaced with East Check Airmen. What is all the supposition about?

Driver...

 

[Zone5]

Actually,,,it is the Nic,,,,,or maybe you can point to another contractually mandated seniority list that was completed, then accepted and PAID for by the company, as per their obligation.

The legal process we are in now is to determine whether or not the company can be on the hook if they agree with the scab union and renegotiate the contract that called for the list without representation of the West pilots who are signators of that contract.

The east has not understood its position since day one. Bottom line, the West controls whether or not the West will sue the corporation or any successor airline parties, and the basic fact of the matter is the West has a winning case, already proven once by jury trial. Go ahead LCC, make it "unquestionably ripe". For that matter, in the context of the hypothetical AMR merger, go ahead LCC, AMR, APA, make it "unquestionably ripe" the West would love that because your pockets are soooooooo much deeper than the scab unions bankrupt treasury.

"not too smart",,,,,get back to me when you get a clue.

In the big scheme of things, the West might just turn out to be more trouble than they are worth. Perhaps spun off to the highest bidder. We can only hope!

seajay

 

[Metroyet]

In the big scheme of things, the West might just turn out to be more trouble than they are worth. Perhaps spun off to the highest bidder. We can only hope!

seajay

Oh, if I were you, I'd damn well think the West was "worth the trouble" as you'd have been unemployed for YEARS without them. Your career was a total failure before America West. Absolute, unmitigated fact.

 

[Move2CLT]

In the big scheme of things, the West might just turn out to be more trouble than they are worth. Perhaps spun off to the highest bidder. We can only hope!

seajay

What trouble are we? It's you guys that are being the a-holes. Aren't you the ones that got enjoined AND parked?

 

[Metroyet]

What trouble are we? It's you guys that are being the a-holes. Aren't you the ones that got enjoined AND parked?

The fact that "ENDOFALPA" is enough of a D-Bag to be photographed in his ancient Captain hat says everything you need to know about that tool.

 

[Pi brat]

The fact that "ENDOFALPA" is enough of a D-Bag to be photographed in his ancient Captain hat says everything you need to know about that tool.

Does it bother you that endofalpa is a captain again?

 

[Pi brat]

How come nobody is talking about the filings? I thought they would have been thoroughly tried by the court of pilots by now🙂

Quiz time. Which attorney wrote this and who mentioned it a few weeks ago?

"The courts have routinely
declined to relieve carriers of their absolute bargaining duty, see, e.g., America West
Airlines v. NMB, 119 F3d 772, 778 (9th Cir. 1997), reh’g denied, 124 F.3d 211 (1997),
cert. denied, 523 U.S. 1021 (1998), aff’g 153 L.R.R.M. 2176, 2180-81 (D. Ariz. 1996),
even when the carrier becomes subject to primary and secondary strike pressures. See
United Airlines v. Airline Div., Int’l Bhd. of Teamsters, 874 F.2d 110, 114-15 (2d Cir.
1989); Virgin Atl. Airways v. NMB, 956 F.2d 1245, 1252 (2d Cir. 1992). After all, no
carrier is compelled by the RLA to actually enter into an agreement. Railway Clerks v.
Non-Contract Employees, 380 U.S. 650, 667 (1965). Both parties to a CBA have the
right and obligation to resist illegal bargaining demands, and both are potentially liable to
injured persons if they do not."

 

[Metroyet]

Does it bother you that endofalpa is a captain again?

you guys are obsessed with penis envy. Get the F over the 4th stripe already! No. It bothers me that he's at the spear point of a criminal enterprise using extorted monies in an effort to steal that which he never had any right to. To me, that's the problem, not the ridiculous little title.

 

[Pi F/A]

Nevermind

 

[fodase]

How come nobody is talking about the filings? I thought they would have been thoroughly tried by the court of pilots by now🙂

Quiz time. Which attorney wrote this and who mentioned it a few weeks ago?

"The courts have routinely
declined to relieve carriers of their absolute bargaining duty, see, e.g., America West
Airlines v. NMB, 119 F3d 772, 778 (9th Cir. 1997), reh’g denied, 124 F.3d 211 (1997),
cert. denied, 523 U.S. 1021 (1998), aff’g 153 L.R.R.M. 2176, 2180-81 (D. Ariz. 1996),
even when the carrier becomes subject to primary and secondary strike pressures. See
United Airlines v. Airline Div., Int’l Bhd. of Teamsters, 874 F.2d 110, 114-15 (2d Cir.
1989); Virgin Atl. Airways v. NMB, 956 F.2d 1245, 1252 (2d Cir. 1992). After all, no
carrier is compelled by the RLA to actually enter into an agreement. Railway Clerks v.
Non-Contract Employees, 380 U.S. 650, 667 (1965). Both parties to a CBA have the
right and obligation to resist illegal bargaining demands, and both are potentially liable to
injured persons if they do not."

And who wrote this?


Any attempt by US
Airways to force USAPA to incorporate the Nicolau Award is a direct attack on the US
Airways’ pilots’ choice of USAPA as their exclusive certified bargaining representative.
There is no dispute that USAPA was formed, inter alia, to advance the objective to
“maintain uniform principles of seniority based on date of hire and the perpetuation
10 Indeed, the case should also be dismissed for US Airways’ failure to assert a
compulsory counterclaim as it it clearly arises out of the same transactions and
occurrences as the Addington I West Pilots’ claims that USAPA breached the DFR. Fed.
R. Civ. P. 13(a).
Case 2:10-cv-01570-ROS Document 152 Filed 01/27/12 Page 26 of 30


thereof, with reasonable conditions and restrictions to preserve each pilot’s un-merged
career expectations.” (Ex. 2, USAPA Constitution, §8.D.) By voting to certify USAPA
as their bargaining agent, a majority of the US Airways pilots clearly expressed the view
that the Nicolau Award was inconsistent with this fundamental organizational objective,
as was their right to do.
This sounds like usapa is making the west's case to me.

 

[traderjake]

Get the F over the 4th stripe already!

But, but it's the pot of gold at the end of the East rainbow.

What airline pilot doesn't dream of the day he can make $124 an hour.

It's pursuit is worth giving up payraises, more vacation, and better duty rigs now.

 

[crazystnic]

Hummel/Bradford, McKee/Javurek. Steve Sevier is a great guy, I don't know his position on things. Don't know anything about the rest. And guessing for west you would have to match with west.

Hummel is a nut case.
I know McKees position on nic.. What is sevier position on nic?