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Hummel is a nut case.
I know McKees position on nic.. What is sevier position on nic?

I know McKee's position also. He was one of the few reps "in on" Cleary's secret meeting with Eric in Texas..in an attempt to compromise on DOH. Nothing wrong with the idea of talking..but doing so outside the CBL was not acceptable. That is McKee's MO.......operations outside the CBL, publically berating other BPR members when a vote does not go his way, and stealing a perfectly good safety campaign to do his work actions, putting at least two of our pilot's on the street. Yeah, McKee...that's the ticket.

As to Severe and Hummel, both are are staunch advocates of DOH with fences and restrictions, as per the CBL. Even McKee supports that, he is just too mad at the world to know how to conduct himself in the public arena. His "late night" body of base communications is legendary, just like this performances on BPR telephone calls. Better get your business done early on the call with McKee..he does not do good work after the first hour.

RR
 
I'm having a problem following this thread. The CLT CPs were replaced with East Check Airmen. What is all the supposition about?

Driver...

I wil try to explain.

Breeze threw out something about an east checkairman's opinion on the future of the Nic, so, just to be antagonistic, I replied that his next training event could be administered by a former West pilot, who would have an entirely different opinion.

It was then pointed out to me the difficulties involved with using a former West checkairman on the east and vise versa.

But, I do believe that if the two groups are ever going to be merged, then the logical starting point is in the training department, and to a lesser degree the CPs offices.
 
In the big scheme of things, the West might just turn out to be more trouble than they are worth. Perhaps spun off to the highest bidder. We can only hope!

seajay

You quoted my post that reiterated that the east has no clue, with a reply that proved my point.
 
Hummel is a nut case.
I know McKees position on nic.. What is sevier position on nic?


I have no idea where Steve Sevier stands on the issues.

It seems my answer to Piedmont1984 about who might work well together might have caused some to think that the pairings I listed were actually running together. I didn't mean to imply that. Hopefully any and all will be able to work well together.
 
Even More FPL and Stipends for USAPA's Elite: January 30, 2102

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Quick Fact #225: USAPA's budget remains severely underfunded and USAPA has transferred full-time FPL and Stipend positions to Committee Vice Chairman. Last week the NMB suspended or "parked" new contract negotiations and the Mediator said that she did not know how long the break would last. With no grievance progress or new contract discussions scheduled should USAPA return full-time FPL and Stipend Committee Vice Chairman and NAC positions to the line to balance the budget?

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USAPA Update: January 30, 2102

TEMPE (US Daily) - On Jan. 26, the National Mediation Board (NMB) informed the Company and USAPA that the NMB is not going to schedule additional mediation sessions among the parties at this time. The NMB will determine when its mediation efforts will resume. In the meantime, the current collective bargaining agreement remains in force and the parties are prohibited from changing the status quo.
 
Even More FPL and Stipends for USAPA's Elite: January 30, 2102

Dear Subscriber,

Update for January 30, 2011

Quick Fact #225: USAPA's budget remains severely underfunded and USAPA has transferred full-time FPL and Stipend positions to Committee Vice Chairman. Last week the NMB suspended or "parked" new contract negotiations and the Mediator said that she did not know how long the break would last. With no grievance progress or new contract discussions scheduled should USAPA return full-time FPL and Stipend Committee Vice Chairman and NAC positions to the line to balance the budget?

USAPA now has at least 5M in the bank so the term "severely underfunded" makes no sense.

The NAC Chair has been having a hard time deciding if he is ALPA or USAPA for years now, sometimes taking pay to the cap (ALPA), and sometimes getting a stipend (USAPA). Good to have a dedicated guy like that as a Committee Chair who mocks the ideals of a Union he had no part in creating. He has had almost 4 years of negotiations 101 and still cannot even present a logical and "valued" proposal to the Company..thus the embarrassing park job by the "had it up to here with USAPA" Mediator. Pat Day (Cleary and McKee's "go to guy") was the icing on her cake. You don't put a hothead like that in the room with adults. And I am being most kind in only calling him a "hothead."

The only real cost going forward would be to KEEP the NAC Chair and Vice Chair on full FPL....when they are actually in negotiations the company picks up 255 hours FPL for the Committee. The best thing to do is for the NAC Chair and Vice to go back to line and earn their keep. After four years of failure, they have no political future in the arena.

RR
 
I wil try to explain.

Breeze threw out something about an east checkairman's opinion on the future of the Nic, so, just to be antagonistic, I replied that his next training event could be administered by a former West pilot, who would have an entirely different opinion.

It was then pointed out to me the difficulties involved with using a former West checkairman on the east and vise versa.

But, I do believe that if the two groups are ever going to be merged, then the logical starting point is in the training department, and to a lesser degree the CPs offices.

Thanks for the clarification. As far as training goes, once the pilot group is under one CBA and the East/West restrictions lifted, any pilot East or West can apply to be a Check Airman in PHX or CLT. Vacancies should be filled by the best qualified pilots regardless of their previous domicile. However, I would be opposed to any kind of quota system. Of course, nobody cares what I think anyway so have at it.

Driver...
 
Gary Hummel Campaign Letter: January 30, 2012

With my first communication to you I revealed my lifelong passion for flying, record of military service to our country and a history of service to the pilots of US Airways. I will in this and future communications to you address in very clear, specific and unimpeachable terms where I stand on the issues in this election.

I will a start this process by addressing the issue of seniority integration. My position on seniority is, and has always been in support of the USAPA constitutional requirement for date of hire with conditions and restrictions. I find it unconscionable, that airline pilots who were furloughed and victimized by a war thrust upon their lives, their families and their industry in the aftermath of the terrorist attracts of 9-11, would now be told that their 16 years of service and seniority meant nothing. I find it absurd that within our industry where all other employee groups successfully integrate their ranks by date of hire in several short weeks, airline pilots historically and continually consume millions of dollars and five long years trying to reinvent the wheel.

Unfortunately for our union members, it has become common practice in elections such as these, for one candidate to try and portray another candidate in an undesirable position to gain your vote. This pilot group should be disgusted at the waste of your union’s time and resources that have been spent in an amateur hour attempt to discredit my position on seniority.

My attendance at PHX domicile meetings continues to be ridiculously portrayed by political opponents as somehow subverting our union when in fact, it has always promoted rapport. Make no mistake about it, it has been my pleasure to attend DCA meetings, CLT meetings and PHL base meetings whenever I can, and Phoenix is no exception. As a Union Officer, it has not only been my privilege, but it has been my duty to equitably participate and work on behalf of all Union members and I will continue to do so. That is how you effect change, and not by continually throwing mud at each other over the banks of the Mississippi and headlining a single contentious issue of disagreement. You must instead, recognize and attempt to resolve pervasive issues that affect us all. Rest assured that no one has enjoyed our Unions dysfunctional mudslinging contest more than US Airways Management.

It appears that the latest internet banter even contains reports of union officers listening to my conversations through my hotel room door. It would have been much easier for them to hear my conversation had they just knocked and said hello, but for some it is easier to allege a conspiracy rather than defend their own failures. All of these ridiculous reports, and attempts to portray me as opposed to date of hire, or having engaged in any actions to subvert date of hire, are simply political lies at their clumsiest application and patently untrue.

So let me emphasize this point once again. My position on seniority is, and has always been in support of date of hire with conditions and restrictions. However, our seniority will be determined by the courts and should no longer be a contentious issue for anyone.

It's that simple, and here is the reason why.
1. In July of 2010, US Airways filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court of Arizona against the Addington Pilots and USAPA. US Airways brought this action and proposed that a defendant class be established (the “West Pilot Class”). They asked that the same class representatives as the West Pilot Class that was certified in Addington v. USAPA be certified again to represent all West pilots in this new law suit.

This suit by US Airways asked the court to determine, and to give a legal opinion on three questions.

First Claim: for a declaration that USAPA is violating its duty of fair representation under the Railway Labor Act by its insistence to not accept the Nicolau Award.

Or, in the alternative,

Second Claim: for a declaration that if US Airways accepts a seniority list that does not include the Nicolau Award, that USAPA would not be breaching its duty of fair representation and therefore, US Airways can accept a non-Nicolau award seniority list from USAPA.

Or, in the alternative,

Third Claim: that regardless of whether it would be a breach of USAPA's duty of fair representation for it to not use the Nicolau Award as its seniority list, that US Airways would not be liable if it were to accept some other seniority list.

2. The Union’s original position and defense to the court from our former counsel Seham, Seham, Meltz and Peterson, was to move for a court order to drop the Addington defendants from the lawsuit. This is what SSM&P had to say in their brief to the court.

“Without dropping the Addington defendants, the practical effect will be to allow the Addington defendants the opportunity to re-litigate their unripe DFR claim that was recently dismissed by the Ninth Circuit. That is nothing more than a backdoor end run around the Ninth Circuit’s decision. In addition, without dropping the Addington defendants, USAPA will be effectively forced to face two plaintiffs, not just one. And this, even as it is exposed to a parallel case at the Supreme Court that could result in remand to yet a third forum – back to the Ninth Circuit. This amounts to unfair prejudice that is entirely avoidable at the outset of this litigation simply by dropping the unnecessary Addington defendants. Part of that bargaining process is the resolution of conflicts that arise within the bargaining unit. That is the Union’s job, not the Company’s. Indeed, the Company’s determination to create a certified class of West pilots for the purpose of evading the existing negotiating process runs counter to its obligations under the Railway Labor Act.”

So, that was USAPA's original position until the spring of last year. Then what happened last spring that would have changed USAPA's position? How did the Addington defendants become the “West Pilot Class” representing all of the Phoenix based pilots? I'm glad you asked.
3. On May 27, 2011 Mike Cleary filed a lawsuit against defendant US Airways in the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York alleging, among other matters, that the Company had violated its duty to maintain the status quo during negotiations as required by the Railway Labor Act.

What you may not know is that your BPR was not informed of this lawsuit until the lawyers were standing on the courthouse steps. In fact, USAPA’s prevailing attorney Lee Seham was also not advised prior to the filing of this lawsuit. Seham had previously advised USAPA against taking any such action. Instead of heeding this advice, our President hired a new law firm to file the lawsuit for him. One might ask why our former attorney Lee Seham was opposed to filing a lawsuit against US Airways. Because as he had previously stated, it would open the door for a counter suit by US Airways against USAPA, a lawsuit which would be detrimental to USAPA's current defense in the Arizona declaratory judgment case. It would also negatively impact our negotiations as the National Mediation Board would not look kindly on being thrust into the limelight and would result in getting us parked. Additionally, it would and has given the Company an excuse to place termination arbitrations at the end of the line because the case alleges that US Airways has abrogated its duty to the grievance process, therefore, US Airways can respond, “fine, let’s go back to the first outstanding grievance and settle them all in order.”

4. In July of 2011, as predicted, US Airways filed suit against USAPA in the United States District Court in North Carolina seeking a preliminary injunction to have USAPA stop its Safety Campaign, which US Airways claimed was nothing more than codeword for job action.

5. On September 28th Robert J. Conrad, Jr. Chief United States District Judge ruled in favor of US Airways and against USAPA and issued a temporary injunction against USAPA. This injunction has since been made permanent.

6. Just five days later, the Addington defendants' filed a notice of ruling in related action in Judge Silver's court in Arizona regarding their desire to be recognized as a class in that litigation. What they told Judge Silver was that the injunction order issued by Judge Conrad in North Carolina highlights labor unrest regarding the seniority list.

7. The Addington Defendants were certified by Judge Silver as the “West Pilot Class” representing all former America West Pilots. From this point forward, USAPA had to change its legal strategy which previously held that the Addington Defendants did not represent all West pilots and that seniority was not an issue for the courts, but an issue to be determined by the union under provisions of the RLA.

8. On December 1, 2011, here comes US Airways against USAPA and the West Pilot Class in Judge Silver's court where all three parties agreed that whether or not the Company must accept the Nicolau Award, is indeed a legal issue. The following is from the transcript of Judge Silver.

“This is a simple issue and I think even Mr. Szymborska (sic) agrees with that, is that the issue is, the simple issue is whether or not, as you've said, this is whether USAPA and US Airways and this court is bound by the Nicoulau agreement simply.” (Mr. Szymborska is Mr. Szymanski the attorney for USAPA)

So there you have it. It just doesn't matter anymore what I think about date of hire or what you think about the NIC. It is no longer an issue for the union under the RLA. USAPA attorneys have agreed with the Company and the West Pilot Class, that this is a legal issue that will be resolved in the courts.

For those of you who thought that this case had already been tried and won in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, we are in fact trying this case once again, and in the end, after all of the appeals and perhaps even another visit to the United States Supreme Court, my position as well as your position will be decide by the courts and ultimately by your vote to ratify a new contract.

So what is my position on seniority? It has always been and remains for date of hire with conditions and restrictions. US Airways pilots have sacrificed their retirement, their pay and their livelihood when furloughed to save this airline, they should not sacrifice their seniority.

Thank you for taking the time to consider the history of the USAPA legal strategy to date. All of these legal documents that I have cited are available on the USAPA website for your review.

Captain Gary Hummel

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You quoted my post that reiterated that the east has no clue, with a reply that proved my point.


If you think that "Team Tempe" wouldn't spin off the West operation in a heartbeat, if it became a requirement to do an M&A deal, then you are the one without a clue! No one and nothing is indispensable in the big scheme of things and if a desired potential merger partner decided that this whole East West tar-baby had to go away, it would.

Now, how that might be accomplished is anybody's guess, but selling off the West operation, lock-stock and barrel, would pretty much do it. What I don't understand, is why the West wouldn't just as soon do just that. Much has been proffered here by the West about how valuable their operation is, I'm sure the rest of the industry would just leap at the chance to do a deal with you or you could just return to the glory days and go it alone.

It's not the East pilots you need to be concerned about at this point, it's how bad "Dougie" wants to do a deal and what he would be willing to do for it, that should be of primary concern to the future of the West pilots.

seajay
 
If you think that "Team Tempe" wouldn't spin off the West operation in a heartbeat, if it became a requirement to do an M&A deal, then you are the one without a clue! No one and nothing is indispensable in the big scheme of things and if a desired potential merger partner decided that this whole East West tar-baby had to go away, it would.

Now, how that might be accomplished is anybody's guess, but selling off the West operation, lock-stock and barrel, would pretty much do it. What I don't understand, is why the West wouldn't just as soon do just that. Much has been proffered here by the West about how valuable their operation is, I'm sure the rest of the industry would just leap at the chance to do a deal with you or you could just return to the glory days and go it alone.

It's not the East pilots you need to be concerned about at this point, it's how bad "Dougie" wants to do a deal and what he would be willing to do for it, that should be of primary concern to the future of the West pilots.

seajay
Scab Clowns just being clowns.
 
If you think that "Team Tempe" wouldn't spin off the West operation in a heartbeat, if it became a requirement to do an M&A deal, then you are the one without a clue! No one and nothing is indispensable in the big scheme of things and if a desired potential merger partner decided that this whole East West tar-baby had to go away, it would.

Now, how that might be accomplished is anybody's guess, but selling off the West operation, lock-stock and barrel, would pretty much do it. What I don't understand, is why the West wouldn't just as soon do just that. Much has been proffered here by the West about how valuable their operation is, I'm sure the rest of the industry would just leap at the chance to do a deal with you or you could just return to the glory days and go it alone.

It's not the East pilots you need to be concerned about at this point, it's how bad "Dougie" wants to do a deal and what he would be willing to do for it, that should be of primary concern to the future of the West pilots.

seajay

We trust Doug more than we trust USAPA.

You worry about how you're going to adjust to Nic instead of worrying about us. We're doing fine in the courts.
 
It's not the East pilots you need to be concerned about at this point, it's how bad "Dougie" wants to do a deal and what he would be willing to do for it, that should be of primary concern to the future of the West pilots.

seajay
Or the east pilots. Parker could just as easily spin off big chunks of the east operation to grease the gears of a merger. DL making noises about a merger with US - the east is the big regulatory impediment. US making noises about merging with AA - much of the east is a big regulatory impediment.

Jim
 
Or the east pilots. Parker could just as easily spin off big chunks of the east operation to grease the gears of a merger. DL making noises about a merger with US - the east is the big regulatory impediment. US making noises about merging with AA - much of the east is a big regulatory impediment.

Jim


True enough! Time will tell. Perhaps, the "value" in USAirways is the PHX operation. You don't really believe that, do you Jim?

seajay
 
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