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I thought I heard a vote being thrown away!
Votes aren't thrown away, they always have value. In this case a splintering of east votes is really a vote for the west ticket so long as the west remains united in their support for the same. It's the same thing with POTUS elections. A vote for a third-party candidate really translates to a vote for the leading opposition candidate on a state by state basis. So, in 1992 a vote for Perot was really a vote for Clinton in states that would have otherwise gone for Bush (in a two party race where electoral college delegates all go to one candidate). Perot got zero electoral college delegates, but he swung the election from a Bush re-election to a Clinton victory. The very same kind of thing can happen in this election by dividing the east base of support. Keep the east vote splintered and some very interesting things could transpire as a result.
 
"I want to reiterate that my passion is to return each of us to the industry of our fathers and grandfathers, the profession that we all admired in our youth and worked hard to achieve entrance into."

Capt. Bill McKee

Here's the problem Captain McKleary...times change. This Industry will NEVER be the same one of your Grandfathers. You're too slow and stupid to understand that? It's a new day and a new game...evolve or die. You guys are collectively stuck in the strangest time warp. It's not 1982...it's 30 years later and a lifetime away from what you perceive to be reality.

Vote McKee for 72 additional pay periods of BK wages.
 
Compass Correction Coalition Update (Angry President Strikes Again!): February 13, 2012

Angry President Strikes Again!

...and these actions could cause a D.O.L-mandated election rerun

On Tuesday February 7th, USAPA EVP, Gary Hummel was summoned to Mike Cleary’s office, ostensibly to discuss a technical problem that developed with the conference call system in the USAPA offices. This glitch occurred during a P4P call a few days prior. The details are not important, since the premise of Mike’s call for Hummel to appear, was a false one, as you will see shortly.

As an interesting aside to the story; Hummel had been working through the vendor to correct the technical glitch for some time, but had been told by an office staffer,Natashia Lyndsey, that this was her responsibility, and to stop working on it.

At any rate, when Gary walked into the February 7th meeting, called by Cleary,he perceived an acrimonious atmosphere, as both Natashia and Randy Mowrey were present. Based on numerous “bushwack” meeting tactics Mike had used on Gary, and former EVP, Ciabattoni in the past, Hummel invited Sec./Treasurer Rob Streble into the meeting as his “witness”.

Mike Cleary insisted that Rob leave the room. Gary then stated that if Rob had to leave, he too, was leaving. Rob was ordered out of the room, and Gary left with him.

Very shortly thereafter, at 3:54 PM Mike sent an email , (clearly tagged as “Confidential”) - to the BPR. In the email, (see attached below) Cleary dramatically altered, (read...lied about) - the events of the evening. The time stamp for this email is below. The content is available if you need it.

From: Mike Cleary
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:54 PM
To: Gary Hummel
Cc: Board of Pilot Representatives; Officers
Subject: Disruptive Behavior

Gary,

Please find a letter attached.

Two minutes later , at 3:56 PM Mike sent the following email to Bill Glynn. In the email, Cleary revealed to Glynn that he had “just sent out” a confidential email to the BPR chastising Gary Hummel.

From: michaeljcleary@gmail.com
To: b767pilot@aol.com
Sent: 2/7/2012 3:56:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: FW: Disruptive Behavior

I just sent this out, so you may want to give it a day or two to send along and find someone else to have provided it to you, like Mike G or Spike. Will work on the Streble piece now.

Later that same day, Bill Glynn sent out the following email to his yahoo distribution list. This has had the effect of accomplishing Mike’s objective; to falsely slander Gary Hummel. Glynn even took the trouble to elaborate and embellish on Mike’s defamatory message.

Bill is clearly participating in the many deceptions of this Cleary-instigated subterfuge, by falsely stating that he, (Glynn) received it from “a USAPA Board member”. By this false attribution, Glynn may have intended to imply that a Board Member had a grudge against Hummel. In any case, the source was Cleary and the conduit was Bill Glynn.

Any other speculation is merely a distraction; the fact is, President Cleary is willing to lie , as is Bill Glynn,to affect the voting in a union election. Glynn and Cleary conspired to set the fire and then blame it on someone else. We have seen this playbook before from Cleary; most recently in Mike’s outrageous slander of Attorney Lee Seham. We should not be surprised.

From: B767pilot@aol.com
To: Phillypilot@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2/7/2012 9:12:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: Is this the way we want a future USAPA President to behave?

I received this letter from a USAPA Board member. He sent it to me to illustrate the problems they are having with Gary Hummel. He is increasingly unresponsive to the Boards requests and the other officers. He told me that the Board members are finding it increasingly difficult to work with Gary to do USAPA's business. If this is what we can expect for the future with Gary Hummel as the President, I fear we will just see politics as usual. Nothing will get done and instead of trying to find common ground to work together, we'll find a dysfunctional USAPA. Leadership is about bringing different peoples together for the common good of everyone. Antagonizing people you work with is not leadership.

Bill Glynn

This is not the biggest lie in Mike Cleary's "Big Lie" campaign, just the latest. The biggest lie is the false assertion that Gary is conspiring with the West Pilots to somehow bypass the court proceedings in PHX, ignore our Constitution and By Laws, dismiss the will of the entire BPR, and finally, that Gary Hummel could, or would negate the ratification voting power of the entire pilot group. In the end, it will be the majority vote of the Line Pilots which determines whether or not the Nicolau Award becomes part of our contract.

It is hard to decide which is more outrageous; the lie itself, or the fact that Mike Cleary once again fed his lies, through Bill Glynn and his distribution list by claiming that he heard a conversation between Gary and the PHX reps through a hotel wall. Any rational person would be too embarrassed to admit they listen to private conversations through hotel walls. Based on the detail of what Mike alleges he heard, he must have not only been listening...but taking notes!

Please go to Gary's campaign website Changeusapa.com and click on the blue VIDEO button to educate yourself as to Gary's position on date of hire, as well as his plans for the future of our union. Gary has always been, and always will be for, Date of Hire with Conditions and Restrictions.

Fraternally,

Woody Menear PHL 76I

Dave Ciabattoni PHL AB-320
 
The Compass Correction Coalition update is just another example, why I am opposed to anything Bill McKee, Bill Glynn and their supporters suggest. I agree with Dave Ciabattoni and Woody Menear's comments, as I indicated yesterday and earlier today, that "Bill (Glynn) is clearly participating in the many deceptions of this Cleary-instigated subterfuge."

With Glynn supporting Tracy Wright I encourage all pilots to vote for Rob Streble.
 
USAPAWATCH.com Update (The true cost of a 5 year upgrade): February 12, 2012

Click here to read the article and the projections for our 3rd list pilots.
 
LOL!! You shoulda been around during the 2nd BK. "Let's My Daddy Vote" and all of that crap when they were dumping their pension under threat of Liquidation. In hindsight now it's not hard to see where the seeds for USAPA were planted.
Some folks still want to capitulate on behalf of others.
 
"I want to reiterate that my passion is to return each of us to the industry of our fathers and grandfathers, the profession that we all admired in our youth and worked hard to achieve entrance into."

Capt. Bill McKee

Here's the problem Captain McKleary...times change. This Industry will NEVER be the same one of your Grandfathers. You're too slow and stupid to understand that? It's a new day and a new game...evolve or die. You guys are collectively stuck in the strangest time warp. It's not 1982...it's 30 years later and a lifetime away from what you perceive to be reality.

Vote McKee for 72 additional pay periods of BK wages.

Aw, c'mon. Let's don the goggles and go out there and shoot an AN range in the blinding snow into Floyd Bennet. McKleery's nickname should be Superhomer!
 
just finished voting for Mckee and Randy Dopp

It's funny listening to the West try to pursade others to vote for Ferguson... now that will make your head spin won't it...

Just make sure you vote!
This was no surprise. You are McKee's demographic. The angry DOH, never Nic, no contract crowd. What happens when the court shoves Nicolau up your collective six? What has McKee got to offer except 3 more year of Cleary and the clown leadership. Are you Ok with Cleary and Mowrey hiding out on FPL in McKee administration? How has the grievance been working for you lately? Want to continue that with KcKee?

Read the compass correction. Lying, cheating, stealing just another day for these guys. And you just voted to continue that.

Good luck you deserve what you get.
 
With Glynn supporting Tracy Wright I encourage all pilots to vote for Rob Streble.

Well thx for the heads up! No need for any more research on these 2 candidates.
Tracy hands down! Poor RS is for sure doomed now that u back him.
Thx Bill G.

FA
 
Which Family Will You Choose?

Dear US Airways Pilots,



We would like to express our appreciation for the many emails we have received. While we acknowledge they have not all been positive, we are pleased to see that many are and not all of those are from the pilots of Phoenix. To be sure, there have been a few negative responses, but they have mostly been authored by pilots within a predictable seniority range. As previously mentioned, we will attempt to answer your questions and address your concerns through our blog as quickly as we are able.



We are beginning to see evidence of the trend we predicted before the election began: It is becoming increasingly clear that many East pilots have grown tired of what can now be recognized as an obvious and costly strategic failure. These pilots now face a choice between “staying the course,” or “choosing a new path.” More succinctly, they face a choice between making their own flesh-and-blood family their priority, or placing a figurative “union brotherhood” of East pilots first.



An analysis of the USAPA leadership and committee structures shows precisely who has been making key decisions. Four of the eight non-Phoenix representatives on USAPA’s Board of Pilot Representatives were furloughed at the time of the merger. These pilots stand to gain richly at the expense of the former AWA pilots if the union were to ever reach its Date-of-Hire objective. This powerful motive is shared with the vast majority of committee volunteers. Of the 289 volunteers listed in the USAPA “Yellow Pages,” approximately 23% were also furloughed at the time of the merger, while another 32% were East First Officers. In addition, around 30% of Committee Chairmen and Co-Chairmen were furloughed at the time of the merger, while another 26% were First Officers. In summary, counting all officers, board members and committee members, an astonishing 56 % hail from the bottom half of the EAST (only) seniority list. More telling is the fact that most of these pilots stand to gain about 25-30% relative seniority over their East-only relative position when combined with the West using USAPA’s DOH proposal. The overwhelming majority of the union’s leadership, therefore, hails from the bottom half of the East list only. When counting the West pilots, they are representative of only about 25% of our total pilots. This is hardly reflective of the true majority.



The rest of this message is directed towards pilots found in the other THREE QUARTERS of the seniority list. For too long now, you have given (or been coerced into giving) your unwavering support to these junior East pilots. Most of you supported the creation of USAPA as a means of “helping” your East “brothers and sisters” regain a portion of the losses suffered during their lengthy furloughs. While this may have appeared worthy, the fact that the planned financial recovery for these pilots was at the expense of the West pilots, rather than from the coffers of the company, was carefully obscured. Whether you understood exactly what was happening or not, the overwhelming majority of East pilots went along with a union deliberately designed from the outset to disenfranchise and also severely limit the power of those former AWA pilots who would choose to participate. On the surface, this seemed like an unbeatable plan and, for a brief while, it created an incredibly unified group. For many, this may have even seemed admirable, but speaking against USAPA’s plan also meant certain persecution for those of you who would dare.



Many were fooled into believing you were doing the right thing and were proud to sacrifice tens-of-thousands of dollars to help your junior East colleagues. USAPA, by its very existence, created a competition between the bottom third of the East list and the entire West list. The only hope of victory for this small minority of the combined group was to enlist senior East pilots by convincing you that you were really fighting for a “higher cause,” or “the gold standard” through which your families would be greatly enriched once victory was achieved. In reality, all this did was force the more senior of you into a choice between supporting them (at the expense of the West), and supporting your own families.



Consider, for a moment, what happens when you are flying with a fervent “Date-of-Hire” supporter who was hired between 1987 and 2001. While it may never have occurred to you before, in actuality this person is really asking you to choose his side of the dispute, but he does not bother to explain the cost to the West group, and certainly hopes you ignore your own mounting losses! Your continued support only subjugates the needs of your own family to the desires of the Date-of-Hire “true believers.” You may choose to quietly “smile and nod” in order to keep the peace, but this only prolongs the illusion of your support. Alternatively, you can tell him (or her) that he had his chance to accomplish a goal for which he alone benefits and that you and your family will no longer pay the price. The decision as to how you wish to handle this recurring situation is yours. You can pretend to go along, or finally speak your mind. However, when it comes time to vote, you have only one choice- Ferguson, Koontz, and Holmes.



Voting for anyone else means and you are choosing that First Officer’s (or perhaps, junior Captain’s) family over your own. Those of you who would make such a choice are only pretending that your “union brothers and sisters” matter more than the future of your own family. Unity is a fine word and it serves as the foundation of an effective union, but in our present situation it cannot be attained until the relatively senior East pilots unite with the already unified West group. Only then will we possess the unity needed to bargain effectively with the company- strength in real numbers will be had for the first time since the merger began. If you haven’t already, you need to choose a different side at this time. Together, we can take control of our union from those who have had the helm for many years now, yet have managed to only move us backwards.



Throughout the remainder of the election period, we will outline our plans to achieve an industry-leading contract and transform USAPA into an independent union we can truly be proud of. Central to this plan is eliminating the infinite loop we are now in as a result of the continued pursuit of a non-Nicolau list. In addition, and unlike the way USAPA has been run so far, we will staff committees with volunteers from all ranges of the seniority list from every side of the entire company. We will actually be far more inclusive than USAPA has ever been before, and even the junior-most East pilots have nothing to fear. This is because we will not treat them the way in which the West has been treated. Instead, we will do things the right way, and tangible gains for all will be had as a result.



Please check back regularly for additional information.



So, which family will you choose?



Sincerely,

Eric Ferguson

Jeff Koontz
 
I have always considered USAPA supporters and certainly their founders worse than Scabs. It's actually a compliment compared to what I REALLY think of them.

Then call them what you think they are and save the scab crap. You guys must really not care about scabs to use that term so loosely. There are two terms recklessly thrown around on this board that get to me and they are scab and child molester.
 
Which Family Will You Choose?

Dear US Airways Pilots,



We would like to express our appreciation for the many emails we have received. While we acknowledge they have not all been positive, we are pleased to see that many are and not all of those are from the pilots of Phoenix. To be sure, there have been a few negative responses, but they have mostly been authored by pilots within a predictable seniority range. As previously mentioned, we will attempt to answer your questions and address your concerns through our blog as quickly as we are able.



We are beginning to see evidence of the trend we predicted before the election began: It is becoming increasingly clear that many East pilots have grown tired of what can now be recognized as an obvious and costly strategic failure. These pilots now face a choice between “staying the course,” or “choosing a new path.” More succinctly, they face a choice between making their own flesh-and-blood family their priority, or placing a figurative “union brotherhood” of East pilots first.



An analysis of the USAPA leadership and committee structures shows precisely who has been making key decisions. Four of the eight non-Phoenix representatives on USAPA’s Board of Pilot Representatives were furloughed at the time of the merger. These pilots stand to gain richly at the expense of the former AWA pilots if the union were to ever reach its Date-of-Hire objective. This powerful motive is shared with the vast majority of committee volunteers. Of the 289 volunteers listed in the USAPA “Yellow Pages,” approximately 23% were also furloughed at the time of the merger, while another 32% were East First Officers. In addition, around 30% of Committee Chairmen and Co-Chairmen were furloughed at the time of the merger, while another 26% were First Officers. In summary, counting all officers, board members and committee members, an astonishing 56 % hail from the bottom half of the EAST (only) seniority list. More telling is the fact that most of these pilots stand to gain about 25-30% relative seniority over their East-only relative position when combined with the West using USAPA’s DOH proposal. The overwhelming majority of the union’s leadership, therefore, hails from the bottom half of the East list only. When counting the West pilots, they are representative of only about 25% of our total pilots. This is hardly reflective of the true majority.



The rest of this message is directed towards pilots found in the other THREE QUARTERS of the seniority list. For too long now, you have given (or been coerced into giving) your unwavering support to these junior East pilots. Most of you supported the creation of USAPA as a means of “helping” your East “brothers and sisters” regain a portion of the losses suffered during their lengthy furloughs. While this may have appeared worthy, the fact that the planned financial recovery for these pilots was at the expense of the West pilots, rather than from the coffers of the company, was carefully obscured. Whether you understood exactly what was happening or not, the overwhelming majority of East pilots went along with a union deliberately designed from the outset to disenfranchise and also severely limit the power of those former AWA pilots who would choose to participate. On the surface, this seemed like an unbeatable plan and, for a brief while, it created an incredibly unified group. For many, this may have even seemed admirable, but speaking against USAPA’s plan also meant certain persecution for those of you who would dare.



Many were fooled into believing you were doing the right thing and were proud to sacrifice tens-of-thousands of dollars to help your junior East colleagues. USAPA, by its very existence, created a competition between the bottom third of the East list and the entire West list. The only hope of victory for this small minority of the combined group was to enlist senior East pilots by convincing you that you were really fighting for a “higher cause,” or “the gold standard” through which your families would be greatly enriched once victory was achieved. In reality, all this did was force the more senior of you into a choice between supporting them (at the expense of the West), and supporting your own families.



Consider, for a moment, what happens when you are flying with a fervent “Date-of-Hire” supporter who was hired between 1987 and 2001. While it may never have occurred to you before, in actuality this person is really asking you to choose his side of the dispute, but he does not bother to explain the cost to the West group, and certainly hopes you ignore your own mounting losses! Your continued support only subjugates the needs of your own family to the desires of the Date-of-Hire “true believers.” You may choose to quietly “smile and nod” in order to keep the peace, but this only prolongs the illusion of your support. Alternatively, you can tell him (or her) that he had his chance to accomplish a goal for which he alone benefits and that you and your family will no longer pay the price. The decision as to how you wish to handle this recurring situation is yours. You can pretend to go along, or finally speak your mind. However, when it comes time to vote, you have only one choice- Ferguson, Koontz, and Holmes.



Voting for anyone else means and you are choosing that First Officer’s (or perhaps, junior Captain’s) family over your own. Those of you who would make such a choice are only pretending that your “union brothers and sisters” matter more than the future of your own family. Unity is a fine word and it serves as the foundation of an effective union, but in our present situation it cannot be attained until the relatively senior East pilots unite with the already unified West group. Only then will we possess the unity needed to bargain effectively with the company- strength in real numbers will be had for the first time since the merger began. If you haven’t already, you need to choose a different side at this time. Together, we can take control of our union from those who have had the helm for many years now, yet have managed to only move us backwards.



Throughout the remainder of the election period, we will outline our plans to achieve an industry-leading contract and transform USAPA into an independent union we can truly be proud of. Central to this plan is eliminating the infinite loop we are now in as a result of the continued pursuit of a non-Nicolau list. In addition, and unlike the way USAPA has been run so far, we will staff committees with volunteers from all ranges of the seniority list from every side of the entire company. We will actually be far more inclusive than USAPA has ever been before, and even the junior-most East pilots have nothing to fear. This is because we will not treat them the way in which the West has been treated. Instead, we will do things the right way, and tangible gains for all will be had as a result.



Please check back regularly for additional information.



So, which family will you choose?



Sincerely,

Eric Ferguson

Jeff Koontz
I will not turn to the dark side!
 
Which Family Will You Choose?

Dear US Airways Pilots,




Sincerely,

Eric Ferguson

Jeff Koontz

Let me translate for you guys that don't speak westie. "We only need a few hundred easticles to vote for us since the west will be voting in a block. Don't worry about the rest like the C&BLs, the still fractured pilot group or any of those petty things, we WILL win for you! Industry leading! Please don't worry how we get INDUSTRY LEADING. Our company is highly profitable. Heck, we had a 1% profit margin last year and we know how to charm Doug. And pay no attention to that little windfall thing for Eric and Jeff that we don't mention"
 
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