US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Actually it is YOUR problem.

And you want the Nic so you can jump ahead of others that have paid their dues. You want the widebodies that you didnt bring to the merger. Overall the east is slightly expanding the west are shrinking- thats why you are flying 24% former east routes. The growth and attrition favor the east - you want that too.

You guys are like spoiled little children with entitlement issues.

There is a long line at the grocery store cashiers lane.......another lane and cashier open another up..........the entitled west brats bolt for the newly opened lane ahead of others in the original lane completely disregarding the positions of others ahead of them that have been standing there longer. Thats how I see you guys.

Pure fantasy post.

Yawn.

 

[FL430]

Yeah, another dumb question... As usual, you want to debate from a starting point that your opinion is fact, which it isn't. Unsuccessful with that tactic, you resort to insults...the last refuge of a weak mind...

Jim

Says the smoker who will not answer a simple question. Are you saying you dont smoke now? So my statement "opinion" really was fact then wasnt it?

Weak mind? What do you call someone that intentionally harms ones own body with a habit that is known and scientifically proven to decrease a male adults lifespan by over ten years? I dont smoke - so who has the weak mind?

 

[FL430]

Because USAPA and the east have done anything and everything to keep a contract containing the Nic from seeing the light of day...or a vote...

Any other dumb questions?

Jim

Would the group previously mentioned include F/O GW Garner clt A320 ?

 

[fifidriver]

Says the smoker who will not answer a simple question. Are you saying you dont smoke now? So my statement "opinion" really was fact then wasnt it?

Weak mind? What do you call someone that intentionally harms ones own body with a habit that is known and scientifically proven to decrease a male adults lifespan by over ten years? I dont smoke - so who has the weak mind?

Both? One is an addiction, one is childishness.

 

[FL430]

Both? One is an addiction, one is childishness.

You have both? So you are an addicted child?
Please just go seek out help.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Says the smoker who will not answer a simple question. Are you saying you dont smoke now? So my statement "opinion" really was fact then wasnt it?

No - it's a dumb question because it has nothing to do with seniority. It's just another attack since that's all you have.

Jim

 

[CallawayGolf]

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There is a long line at the grocery store cashiers lane.......another lane and cashier open another up..........the entitled west brats bolt for the newly opened lane ahead of others in the original lane completely disregarding the positions of others ahead of them that have been standing there longer. Thats how I see you guys.

What about the "grocery store" line the west pilots were standing in before the east came along? The west was standing in an efficient line that was moving and had no one standing outside the store just waiting for a chance to get in. By contrast the east was standing in a crowded, inefficient grocery store line that was moving people through the queue at a snails pace compared to every other grocery store in the country. For every two people in line inside the east grocery store there was another person who wanted to come in to buy groceries but the supply of food was dwindling or spoiled with no supply trucks lined up to restock the shelves.

Then one day the managers of the two stores, the west one that was running efficiently with stocked shelves and no one waiting outside to get in and the east one that was inefficient, running severe shortages and with people standing outside to get in line, decided they would merge and combine the operations and customers of both stores. They told the customers that they could decide on their own how to best get in line at the new, bigger store with fully stocked shelves so that everyone could benefit from the merger. After some time and with no real resolution, the representatives from both groups of customers decided to let a neutral, third-party arbitrator decide how to integrate their ranks. The arbitrator made his final and binding and fully legal decision on the integration and then the east customers decided that they didn't want to integrate with the group from the west after all. Despite the arbitrator's ruling, they wanted virtually all of the west customers to get in line behind them at the new store, especially since the new store was now fully stocked and everyone who was previously prevented from coming in the east grocery store was now inside and enjoying the benefits of the merger orchestrated by Management.

You guys who make these kinds of cutting the line analogies fail to recognize that the west pilots did not join in to the east pilot's line or visa-versa. Both groups will have to get into an entirely new line based on an objective, fair, independent and fully enforceable binding arbitration agreement. It is not the east line anymore and nothing USAPA does will change that fact when a new JCBA is put out for ratification. And since USAPA has a federally-mandated responsibility to negotiate, there will be a ratification vote in the future despite all failed attempts to stop it.

 

[cleardirect]

Absurd or rational, doesn't really matter... the real issue is that the West spends so much time trying to persuade East pilots to agreeeeeeee with them.... Even the West knows it all boils down to votes, ...binding ratification. The 9th knew it, Wake was schooled. The company knows they have to negotiate with the union and the West will eventually is attempt to get a judgement and supposed damages, if there ever is a ratified list with these two groups. The fastest way for the West to buy their vacation homes, BMWs, and boats is to simply tell the company to quit playing around and do a DOH list with USAPA paying for a big fat insurance rider for the company. But for now the company doesn't want to lose its excuse for avoiding negotiations.

You don't have to agree with us just accept the Nicolau. You can hate it, love it don't care. You can willingly accept it or have it imposed on you by the court. Don't care.

usapa does not have enough money and there is no insurance company in the world willing to take that kind of risk. No DOH for you. The best you can hope for is a Nicolau contract and a few east pilots try and sue. Good luck with that.

 

[FL430]

No - it's a dumb question because it has nothing to do with seniority. It's just another attack since that's all you have.

Jim

Where in the forum rules does it say that seniority is the only item that will or can be discussed?

Why do you not respond to the claims I have made against you - because you know they are facts and you cannot dispute them. If you are going to attack and discredit the east ( and your own nephew ) then I will do the same to you. Fair is fair whatever the subject.

Now try and resist the urge to light up another one. If you are not already on O2 you soon will be and a nebulizer will also be in your future. Would you like me to discuss for you the internal body processes that result from nicotine and other carbon deposit injestions or is that against board rules?

 

[traderjake]

It's just another attack since that's all you have.

Looks like you have another member in your fan club.

From his interest in your personal life I think he's the president.

 

[Ames]

Yeah, another dumb question... As usual, you want to debate from a starting point that your opinion is fact, which it isn't. Unsuccessful with that tactic, you resort to insults...the last refuge of a weak mind...

Jim

Another indication of his weak mind is his ridiculous comments about changing tampons. WTFO?

These clowns know that the court will soon decide and, in their (cold) hearts of hearts, know it won't be good for them. Yet they still behave like idiots. I cannot wait to see the meltdown when this is all over with. Weak minds will completely implode.

 

[Ames]

Says the smoker who will not answer a simple question. Are you saying you dont smoke now? So my statement "opinion" really was fact then wasnt it?

Weak mind? What do you call someone that intentionally harms ones own body with a habit that is known and scientifically proven to decrease a male adults lifespan by over ten years? I dont smoke - so who has the weak mind?

Are you frigging serious? You can't debate another person with facts so you resort to bashing him for smoking? You are the mental midget of all mental midgets!

 

[FL430]

Looks like you have another member in your fan club.

From his interest in your personal life I think he's the president.

All this from a guy that was calling someone on the cactuspilot forum stupid only to mis-spell the word stupid! Remember that last week Dan.

 

[prechilill]

We will, really. You enjoy your contract too.

Now will you please go change that smelly tampon.

What do you mean?

 

[FL430]

Are you frigging serious? You can't debate another person with facts so you resort to bashing him for smoking? You are the mental midget of all mental midgets!

The other person will not disclose his "facts" only deflects. Yet he attacks easties for posting anything. He badmouths easties for anything and groups us all together with his language but yet his own nephew is an east pilot.