US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Thanks for explaining that.

 

[luvn737s]

I think you are mistaken. There has been a market shift in east pilot behavior since 2001. All in a good way and I believe he will be recalled in a. Ny minute if he strays.

You could never get the necessary votes to mount a recall. Everyone on the east hates everyone else for a variety of reasons. The latest will be the betrayal of the senior pilots who supported the junior. There will be no benefit to them as the junior simply wait on attrition without concluding a contract. "Thanks suckers" will be all the junior guys say to those retiring, because deep down they resent the senior pilots who "have had it too good for too long". They can be deluded into voting against the boogeyman, but they'll never have the courage to recall one.

Next will be the 3-listers ( the Foundering Fodders if you will) who will sacrifice their quality of life once stagnation sets in (that would be the day after AMR/AA is formally announced) for the benefit of the AFO's who whine for pity out of one side of their mouth and tell the 3rd lister's "someday sonny this'll all be yours" (what's left of it).

I was willing to give the east the benefit of the doubt - that they could learn from the USAPA mistake and wake up and act rationally. Now I feel like the one betrayed. With 89% participation, they announced loud and clear that they have not had enough of disenfranchising the west and running a union for their own personal benefit, while extorting thousands to finance it.

Lesson learned. Consistency - in corruption, stupidity and irrationality are hallmarks of the east pilot group. The sad part is that Parker and Kirby have been in on this little secret from the beginning.

 

[mrbreeze]

Like making it up as you go is the honorable way??? There is little if any about my past positions on seniority integration, concessions, retirement, whatever that isn't already on this forum. I feel absolutely no need to explain it all over again every time some snot-nosed smart-### newbie wants to make false assumptions or accusations. Doesn't matter if it's Nos, sum, app, you, MM or whoever. The current crop of easties seems to like making accusations first and asking questions later - if ever. For some of you it's your automatic retort. I guess if you can't argue the facts that's all you have left...

Jim

Hey...your hateful attitude towards the East pilot group makes you a target and will as long as you keep up the attitude and disrespect for those you used to work with, so you can expect more snot nosed 60 yrs olds to call you out in the future. Your lack of response and the high and mighty "I've got mine" attitude speaks volumes about your character.

breeze

 

[USA320Pilot]

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[luvn737s]

Hey...your hateful attitude towards the East pilot group

I hate to break it to you, but the so-called "hateful attitude" is a universal opinion that the east has earned and which they perpetuate. Please never have the gall to look a west pilot in the eye. Keep looking at your shoes when asking for a jumpseat.

 

[Phoenix]

I hate to break it to you, but the so-called "hateful attitude" is a universal opinion that the east has earned and which they perpetuate. Please never have the gall to look a west pilot in the eye. Keep looking at your shoes when asking for a jumpseat.

You are funny. My experience with jumping on West metal has been consistent. The captains are doing there best to be businesslike to polite but the FOs are unresponsive to a hello, won't shake my hand, and some are visibly upset at the captain for letting me on the plane. You strike me as an FO.

 

[luvn737s]

You strike me as an FO.

I wouldn't strike you at all, but you'd be wrong. I'll be the CA that doesn't say two words to an east pilot, and I have a number of them that are former friends. It's not the people, of course, it's the destruction they (that means you) are responsible for that I find irritating.

I'm always ready to mend fences, but not with people who gleefully continue to set land mines.

 

[Phoenix]

I wouldn't strike you at all, but you'd be wrong. I'll be the CA that doesn't say two words to an east pilot, and I have a number of them that are former friends. It's not the people, of course, it's the destruction they (that means you) are responsible for that I find irritating.

I'm always ready to mend fences, but not with people who gleefully continue to set land mines.

"Hello" is only one word. "Good morning" or "welcome aboard" is just two. "Why are you asking for my jumpseat, former friend?" is nine, but can be achieved with a frown and sneer.

 

[A320 Driver]

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Would you mind quoting the part that says "east pilots" get 36% profit sharing? I can't seem to find that in my copy of LOA 93...

Jim

Then you didn't look. Page 12, item 3b.

"b. ALPA’s portion of Company profit-sharing pool will be no less than 36%."

We both know that the West is NOT under LOA93. The East MEC allowed the 36% to be divided with the West pilots in the Transition agreement. They were trying to buy friends. We see now how that turned out.

Driver...

 

[767one]

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Then you didn't look. Page 12, item 3b.

"b. ALPA’s portion of Company profit-sharing pool will be no less than 36%."

We both know that the West is NOT under LOA93. The East MEC allowed the 36% to be divided with the West pilots in the Transition agreement. They were trying to buy friends. We see now how that turned out.

Driver...

Hindsight tells me that in the spirit of brotherhood we should have shared all of LOA 93 with our brothers and sisters from the west then there would have been more profit sharing for them.

 

[A320 Driver]

Hindsight tells me that in the spirit of brotherhood we should have shared all of LOA 93 with our brothers and sisters from the west then there would have been more profit sharing for them.

LOL!!!
A case has been made for that. Obviously, it wouldn't sit well.

Driver...

 

[crazystnic]

There is no ambiguity here.

We agreed to have a neutral third party resolve our seniority dispute and then reneged on that agreement when we didn't like the result.

That is wrong whether you've been around one year or 30 years.

Well we also agreed th at said list would not. Be implemented until a joint CBa was voted on, agreed to and accepted.

 

[crazystnic]

I wouldn't strike you at all, but you'd be wrong. I'll be the CA that doesn't say two words to an east pilot, and I have a number of them that are former friends. It's not the people, of course, it's the destruction they (that means you) are responsible for that I find irritating.

I'm always ready to mend fences, but not with people who gleefully continue to set land mines.

For someone who won't say two words your sure try to mandate on here how this is all settled and we should bend over.

 

[Pi brat]

I hate to break it to you, but the so-called "hateful attitude" is a universal opinion that the east has earned and which they perpetuate. Please never have the gall to look a west pilot in the eye. Keep looking at your shoes when asking for a jumpseat.

You are just full of it. "Gall"? How about the proper, respectful way to ask the Captain for permission to ride the jumpseat?

I look every one of you in the eye and treat you with the respect you deserve until you show me otherwise. Try that out.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

There is no ambiguity here.

We agreed to have a neutral third party resolve our seniority dispute and then reneged on that agreement when we didn't like the result.

You are correct, there is no ambiguity.

What do you think would be the odds of the arbitration being applied when you accomplish the rest of the transition agreement, the part you seem to keep forgetting about, you know, the part where it says that each pilot group will individually ratify any proposed merger agreement? Technically, so far, a merged proposal including the Nicholau proposal has not been turned down, much less proposed, however, I think everyone knows that most any proposed merger would have died on the vine, under ALPA. I am not certain someone who argues like you appear to has their arguments in line.

USAPA gives us a chance to work it out. It will be DOH, with conditions and restrictions. The west will, in five to ten, see this as they stagnate and the east progresses. By then it will be a non-issue as DOH will actually help them.

By proposing what he did, Mr. Nicholau cleverly side-stepped his duties, leaving the duty to the pilots to work out. ALPA was , IMHO, too stupid to realize what he did.