US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

I'm sure there'll be no shortage of volunteers...

Jim

As I'd kindly requested....rather than ever encountering even the sad possibility of suffering a fate akin to your own 😉

 

[crazystnic]

The east couldn't mount a successful recall even if they wanted to (they only operate on fear, so they never will). Cleary based his entire Presidency on that fact.

I think you are mistaken. There has been a market shift in east pilot behavior since 2001. All in a good way and I believe he will be recalled in a. Ny minute if he strays.

 

[Phoenix]

As I'd kindly requested....rather than ever encountering even the sad possibility of suffering a fate akin to your own 😉

Heh, heh.. I think I'll remember not to get in a battle of wits with you.

 

[nic4us]

........... I believe he will be recalled in a. Ny minute if he strays.

Clueless.....

Not about whether Hummel would get recalled for not promoting the scab agend.....but about the fact it just won't matter who holds the office of president at an irrelevant association.

 

[767one]

Yet the pilot you quoted was an east pilot. Again I ask, how did Piedmont, Allegheny, US Air, PSA, Eastern, Trump, Lake Central, and Mohawk just happen to find low life people to hire?

You anger is showing, better tuck it in.

I agree.

 

[A320 Driver]

So you're telling me the TA states that the east got the west profit sharing?!

You do understand that writing your own TA and passing it off as the real one doesn't count, right?

We're not going to play this cat and mouse game dude. We already covered this. You asked me if LOA93 gave the East pilots 36% profit sharing and I gave you the page it was on. Since you aren't interested in the facts, lets just back away and watch some tube.

Driver... 😀

 

[mrbreeze]

How little you really know, breezy. But as usual you don't let that stand in your way - just make it up as you go along...

If you weren't such a johnny-come-lately (otherwise called a newbie) to this site you'd know better...

Jim

Well Jim,

I must say that your response is a total cop out and it makes you sound as guilty as I had imagined. Sure, I am not one to judge, but unless you want to offer your past position on these things, I will continue to assume that I am right, and go with that......after all, you haven't offered any evidence to the contrary. Don't forget, I was there when all this crap went down, so I have to go on what I remember that took place. Our discussions on the ALPA webboard and flying with Norton during that crucial time puts me at the scene of your crime.

Now, to be fair, instead of placing all your stuff here for all to see (which would probably be the best for your vindication), feel free to PM me and 'splain it to me.....I am open to that and with all respect, want to be fair. I want to know your perspective, but telling me that I am a Newbie isn't an answer.

However, at this point in time, you are highly suspect and IMHO have no right to ridicule those of us who are in this position today. I mean......we have all these senior Cpts standing up for those of us who lost pensions and took 65% paycuts, yet you sit there and ridicule everything that we post. I wouldn't say that there is no respect for you, but more of a hatred....I mean, it's similar to Wolf and his buddies running out with $35 million (tax free) just before bankruptcy was filed.....just thieves!

There is a huge difference in that behavior and what the East pilots are doing today.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

We're not going to play this cat and mouse game dude. We already covered this. You asked me if LOA93 gave the East pilots 36% profit sharing and I gave you the page it was on. Since you aren't interested in the facts, lets just back away and watch some tube.

Driver... 😀

Driver,

You know he is just yanking your chain....we all know where they got the profit sharing, but they don't have enough ethics to respect it and to admit it, let alone say thanks. Their only mental path is to take and consume.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Driver,

You know he is just yanking your chain....we all know where they got the profit sharing, but they don't have enough ethics to respect it and to admit it, let alone say thanks. Their only mental path is to take and consume.

breeze

From our negotiator's hard work and the leverage we had.

Pretty obvious.

 

[mrbreeze]

The east pilots have no conscience. But I can imagine Mr.Sleeze has at least a few ex-wives plus one that daily marks off the days till completing the "till death do us part" sentence. Walk away from a mortgage, walk a way from a marriage, walk away from an arbitration, walk away from anything that interferes with your immediate gratification. The east way!

You have quite the imagination.....honestly, none of your statement applies to me and my lifestyle....but I know you need to vent.

breeze

 

[traderjake]

However, at this point in time, you are highly suspect and IMHO have no right to ridicule those of us who are in this position today. I mean......we have all these senior Cpts standing up for those of us who lost pensions and took 65% paycuts, yet you sit there and ridicule everything that we post. I wouldn't say that there is no respect for you, but more of a hatred....I mean, it's similar to Wolf and his buddies running out with $35 million (tax free) just before bankruptcy was filed.....just thieves!

There is no ambiguity here.

We agreed to have a neutral third party resolve our seniority dispute and then reneged on that agreement when we didn't like the result.

That is wrong whether you've been around one year or 30 years.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Well Jim,

I must say that your response is a total cop out and it makes you sound as guilty as I had imagined.

Like making it up as you go is the honorable way??? There is little if any about my past positions on seniority integration, concessions, retirement, whatever that isn't already on this forum. I feel absolutely no need to explain it all over again every time some snot-nosed smart-### newbie wants to make false assumptions or accusations. Doesn't matter if it's Nos, sum, app, you, MM or whoever. The current crop of easties seems to like making accusations first and asking questions later - if ever. For some of you it's your automatic retort. I guess if you can't argue the facts that's all you have left...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

You asked me if LOA93 gave the East pilots 36% profit sharing and I gave you the page it was on.

Would you mind quoting the part that says "east pilots" get 36% profit sharing? I can't seem to find that in my copy of LOA 93...

Jim

 

[traderjake]

Would you mind quoting the part that says "east pilots" get 36% profit sharing?

I never thought of that although are not the West pilots under a different contract?

 

[BoeingBoy]

I never thought of that although are not the West pilots under a different contract?

Except for the transition agreement, yes. But then you have to look to the transition agreement language to see if it confirms or modifies the LOA 93 language.

My point, which wasn't to hear crickets chirp, was that LOA 93 defines profit sharing for "pilots" of "the company.". Nowhere in it does it say "east" pilots. After the merger, all pilots were pilots of the company, which I believe the TA made clear.

Quoting from LOA 93...
"The Company will offer the following profit sharing program for pilots, subject to the following conditions:
1. ALPA’s agreement to eliminate the current profit sharing provisions of the Agreement;
2. Approval by the US Airways Group, Inc. Board of Directors; and" then talks about if in bankruptcy, how the profit sharing pool would be determined, etc.

It doesn't say US Inc or east, it says the company. Who pays profit sharing still - the company. To who - the "pilots" of the company. The TA just confirms that it applies to all pilots.

Now anyone can certainly argue that when LOA 93 was negotiated it meant what is now the east pilots. But many of those same people have argued that at that time discussions were going on with Parker about merging too. So they want their cake and to eat it too - blaming the coming merger with the west for the LOA 93 pay yet saying the west had nothing to do with profit sharing. And in the end, if it went to arbitration the TA would be controlling. USAPA can't take profit sharing away from the west until something replaces the TA, and that will likely be a Nic inclusive contract...

Jim