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I've no wish to see the good folks at AA afflicted with the likes of US's management and host of other issues...after all; I do have a few friends at AA. With the sorry numbers of furloughs/layoffs already announced at American.....well....anyone who can actually apply laughing-boy stickers to the thought of furloughs anywhere is cursed with a situational awareness level that would afford distress to the most marginal of sea sponges....just sayin'......
Wow...

I was laughing at the statement "with the upcoming AMR merge". Not at the thought of furloughs..

Not to be judgmental, but with what you Easties have done to the profession with your "(non) BINDING arbitration", and $125/hr. Airline captain is truly a shame....

Sea sponge? Given the big picture of what you represent, well lets just say "thats rich" 😉
 
Wow...

I was laughing at the statement "with the upcoming AMR merge". Not at the thought of furloughs..

Not to be judgmental, but with what you Easties have done to the profession with your "(non) BINDING arbitration", and $125/hr. Airline captain is truly a shame....

Sea sponge? Given the big picture of what you represent, well lets just say "thats rich" 😉

C;mon AAyou know how this business works. Ask any furloughee if 125K per year plus $800-$900 per month in a retirement account and medical is better than being on the street?? Did we give up too much...probably...but the alternative was worse....and why....years of mismanagemet and 9-11 plus a current management team that DESPERATELY wanted us much smaller. (Wolf & Gangwal). Don't act like you don't know how this industry operates!!

NICDOA
NPJB
 
The good thing about this is Szymanski has a job interview. Let's see how Judge Silver rules. If she hands him and usapa their ass we will know he is probably not the guy to go up against AA lawyer.

After reading the filings in PHX I have a very good idea how that is going to go.

Just like you said Addington would. If Silver goes against USAPA, it goes right to the 9th again. Just like WAKE 😀
 
Wow...

I was laughing at the statement "with the upcoming AMR merge". Not at the thought of furloughs..

Not to be judgmental, but with what you Easties have done to the profession with your "(non) BINDING arbitration", and $125/hr. Airline captain is truly a shame....

Sea sponge? Given the big picture of what you represent, well lets just say "thats rich" 😉

And what was your "handling" of TWA to be called???? Let's see how you make out in your excursion through court. I honestly hope you make out well.
 
Let's see how you make out in your excursion through court. I honestly hope you make out well.
They already know basically how they'll make out. There may be some minor "a bigger cut here for a smaller cut there" bargaining going on, but the bottom line is that they'll still be better off than the east pilots.

Jim
 
Such deperation on the west side alot of them will be on the street with the upcoming AMR merge. Should have paid attention at Wye River. Oh well.

Look, I realize that it is probably starting to set in that, whether we buy American or Delta buys US, that the NIC will then get implemented. I would think that you guys would have learned by now, we don't react well to threats and intimidation. If you're grasping at hope that we'll come to the table to negotiate, you're doing the opposite of what you should be doing, and you may not have a lot of time left.

Bean
 
Just like you said Addington would. If Silver goes against USAPA, it goes right to the 9th again. Just like WAKE 😀
Well having the 9th accept the appeal is far from certain, but if they do at least they can take the opportunity to review the merits of the case presented to them rather than just ripeness. Remember, the ripeness threshold is quite different for a DJ than it was for Addington and Silver has left little doubt that this is a classicly ripe case per the DJ provisions in the federal code.
 
Wow...

I was laughing at the statement "with the upcoming AMR merge". Not at the thought of furloughs..

Not to be judgmental, but with what you Easties have done to the profession with your "(non) BINDING arbitration", and $125/hr. Airline captain is truly a shame....

Sea sponge? Given the big picture of what you represent, well lets just say "thats rich" 😉

That's pretty bold talk since you are just now starting down the path that USAirways East pilots walked several years ago. You don't have a clue as to the size and magnatude of the truck that is about to hit you.'

breeze
 
You guys aren't reading what Clear is saying.

Before the lines are actually built, PBS allots about 85 credit hours per month to each line, divides the total hours to be flown by about 85, and figures out exactly how many lineholders will be created. Thatusually works out to being about 79-82 hard hours in a calendar month. PBS allows us to select when we want to fly, where we want to fly, and even with whom we want to fly with. Once you get your line, then you can trade with other pilots, either up or down.

Me, I asked for and received four four day trips and got a fifth carry-in tacked on starting tomorrow. Every trip has a 32 hour layover at home. Plus I had a carry-in from last month. Result: Total credits of 92 hours with 5 nights spent away from home.

The point is, there is a fixed amount of flying divided up by PBS among X number of line average. Based on seniority, PBS starts at the top and constructs lines from the total amount of flying. You can go above that line average by asking PBS to award credit time, or you can go below it. If senior guys want to pad their lines with extra time, PBS will accommodate - at the expense of the junior line holders who might only then be built to 78 hours. Or, if all the senior pilots bid for min time, then PBS will have to award greater amounts of flying to the bottom side of the list. Once you get your line, you're free to chop trips and put up for trade to other pilots. If there's no takers, then you're stuck with the trip. But, it's amazing what the time whores will pick up. All I can say is, wow. Getting rid of trips is no problem. I've had complete junk disappear within a minute of posting it on the trade board.


Thanks for the explanation. How does the trip trade thing work, is it seniority based? At any rate the West system seems to be more flexible than I thought. If it were me, I would utilize that flexibility to maintain an 85 (+ or - a few) hour monthly average while there were furloughees on the street.


seajay
 
I've no wish to see the good folks at AA afflicted with the likes of US's management and host of other issues...after all; I do have a few friends at AA. With the sorry numbers of furloughs/layoffs already announced at American.....well....anyone who can actually apply laughing-boy stickers to the thought of furloughs anywhere is cursed with a situational awareness level that would afford distress to the most marginal of sea sponges....just sayin'......
I agree with you also, I have so many senior friends at AA and they know we do not want to merge with them and they do not wnat to merge with us. I hope they come out of this much better then we did. We have been infected by the west and would hate to see that spread to a fine airline like AA. Good luck guys!!!
 
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