US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Though overly verbose, good post.

 

[luvthe9]

Look at luv. You're on a roll!!

You go!

Thanks JUNEBUG.

 

[Move2CLT]

Thanks JUNEBUG.

Keep guessing. You guys will work your way through the list eventually and then you'll have me!

 

[luvn737s]

Indeed. At this time; I'd exclude nothing from any/all possible outcomes.

Yes, but there is the mighty USAPA representing the interests of the west regardless of cost or loss, right? Why should any west pilot feel they are vulnerable? If the best interests of the west pilots comes in the form of a joint contract with the NIC, then that's what USAPA is compelled to present and defend. Once the joint contract is passed, USAPA is free to meet the needs of the combined majority, but until then, they gotta hold their noses and not disenfranchise the west.

Timing is everything. USAPA was formed about a year too late. Somebody shoulda told Bradford.

 

[EastUS1]

You guys will work your way through.....and then you'll have me!

Sigh! Not much of a prize at the bottom of that Crackerjack box........

 

[Move2CLT]

Sigh! Not much of a prize at the bottom of that Crackerjack box........

Kinda where you guys have been hanging out this whole time, eh?

 

[Move2CLT]

False statement....

You do realize that the scab list is arranged by the airline at which the scabbing occured? For instance the usapa communications scab is listed as having scabbed at Continental.

Rawls, Randall R CAL 83 dob 4/1/45, SSN 8326
Rawson, Gary L CAL 83 dob 3/9/52, 0110F
Ray, James A CAL 83 dob 9/16/59, 0030P
Raymer, Andrew F CAL 83 dob 5/8/59, SSN 1550, 0101N
Raymond, Robert G CAL 83 dob 7/1/48, SSN 9045

Wow luv, lookie there.

 

[traderjake]

False statement....

You do realize that the scab list is arranged by the airline at which the scabbing occured? For instance the usapa communications scab is listed as having scabbed at Continental.

Rawls, Randall R CAL 83 dob 4/1/45, SSN 8326
Rawson, Gary L CAL 83 dob 3/9/52, 0110F
Ray, James A CAL 83 dob 9/16/59, 0030P
Raymer, Andrew F CAL 83 dob 5/8/59, SSN 1550, 0101N
Raymond, Robert G CAL 83 dob 7/1/48, SSN 9045

Looks like luvthe9 has a problem perceiving the future and the past.

 

[Move2CLT]

And so the CLT reps launch another round of attacks at their incoming officers. The most non-transparent administration is now crying about Hummel's apparent lack of transparency.

The irony here is laughable!!!

From the USAPA idiot reps in CLT who can't put two and two together:

* We have information that Captain David Bates of the APA has made at least one trip to Tempe to meet with Doug Parker in the last few weeks without notice to USAPA or our pilots.

* Your newly elected team of Officer-Elects ventured out to PHX on their own this week, unannounced to the pilots, without disclosure to the BPR or current Officers, and without briefings from the sitting officers, legal, merger, NAC, or (to the best of our knowledge) any USAPA resource prior to their travel. Speculation abounds, and without the facts of what the Officer-Elects were doing, in our opinion transparency is nonexistent.


Dear Idiot USAPA CLT Reps:

Doug just briefed both unions on how this thing is going to happen.

The APA doesn't give a damn what USAPA thinks because they know USAPA is irrelevant.

USAPA's irrelevance in this merger was clearly laid out to Hummel.

Hummel was told to play ball when this happens or be left behind.

Sincerely,

The West

 

[A320 Driver]

And so the CLT reps launch another round of attacks at their incoming officers. The most non-transparent administration is now crying about Hummel's apparent lack of transparency.

The irony here is laughable!!!

From the USAPA idiot reps in CLT who can't put two and two together:

* We have information that Captain David Bates of the APA has made at least one trip to Tempe to meet with Doug Parker in the last few weeks without notice to USAPA or our pilots.

* Your newly elected team of Officer-Elects ventured out to PHX on their own this week, unannounced to the pilots, without disclosure to the BPR or current Officers, and without briefings from the sitting officers, legal, merger, NAC, or (to the best of our knowledge) any USAPA resource prior to their travel. Speculation abounds, and without the facts of what the Officer-Elects were doing, in our opinion transparency is nonexistent.


Dear Idiot USAPA CLT Reps:

Doug just briefed both unions on how this thing is going to happen.

The APA doesn't give a damn what USAPA thinks because they know USAPA is irrelevant.

USAPA's irrelevance in this merger was clearly laid out to Hummel.

Hummel was told to play ball when this happens or be left behind.

Sincerely,

The West

USAPA may be irrelevant, but they represent you, me and everyone else. Are the gains you achieved at the hands of the NIC enough to offset potential losses at the hands of the APA? It's too late to change unions. USAPA WILL be at the table when the seniority negotiations start. You put a lot of energy into this board (15+ posts/day). Maybe you should re-channel some of that energy and make yourself available to the Merger Committee instead of making all these posts which, in the big scheme of things, do little more than tick people off or play to the crowd.

So, do you want Hummel to play ball? Or do you want Hummel to keep a constructive dialog going while at the same time keeping one hand on his wallet? If management wants this so bad, let them pay for it.

Did you send this correspondence to the CLT reps, or are you just making posts?

Driver...

 

[luvn737s]

So, do you want Hummel to play ball? Or do you want Hummel to keep a constructive dialog going while at the same time keeping one hand on his wallet? If management wants this so bad, let them pay for it.

Driver...

You write as though the pilots have an option. That's so 2005. Thanks to the east pilots, the yellow lanyards, the lawsuits against their own members and the salt the earth policy (in their garden) those options no longer exist.

The only thing that will strengthen this pilot group is unity and that will come when the pilots sign a Nic-inclusive contract and move forward. Once you have that, you have leverage for the next contract. Unfortunately, your so-called union leadership felt they could strong arm all-comers and well,, you see how that worked out.

Don't fault Hummel. The pilots allowed Cleary to use up all the real ammo shooting into the air. Hummel will be sent into combat with a cap gun.

Ferguson knew this and that's why re-unification under the ground rules of the Nic was the centerpiece of his platform. Only once unity is secured, can you negotiate effectively.

But I'm sure USAPA's professional negotiators told them that.

 

[luvthe9]

Major expansion planned for CLT http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/09/3158982/airport-bets-a-billion-on-future.html Time to close up shop in PHX. http://www.twgarchitects.com/portfolio_detail.asp?portfolio_aviation=13

 

[Phoenix]

You write as though the pilots have an option. That's so 2005. Thanks to the east pilots, the yellow lanyards, the lawsuits against their own members and the salt the earth policy (in their garden) those options no longer exist.

The only thing that will strengthen this pilot group is unity and that will come when the pilots sign a Nic-inclusive contract and move forward. Once you have that, you have leverage for the next contract. Unfortunately, your so-called union leadership felt they could strong arm all-comers and well,, you see how that worked out.

Don't fault Hummel. The pilots allowed Cleary to use up all the real ammo shooting into the air. Hummel will be sent into combat with a cap gun.

Ferguson knew this and that's why re-unification under the ground rules of the Nic was the centerpiece of his platform. Only once unity is secured, can you negotiate effectively.

But I'm sure USAPA's professional negotiators told them that.

Unity is following the outcome of the most recent vote, unless you lose then it's following some other minority view (with the hope that some day it will be the majority).

 

[EastCheats]

You write as though the pilots have an option. That's so 2005. Thanks to the east pilots, the yellow lanyards, the lawsuits against their own members and the salt the earth policy (in their garden) those options no longer exist.

USAPA is nothing more than a tax collector. The law says I must pay these taxes to stay employed but I have little or no choice how the money is spent. They've become the bureaucracy they campaigned against. Taxation without representation comes to mind if you would ask any West pilot. No, we don't have an option other than continue funding those who are protecting our interests. and defending our rights against this bureaucracy.

 

[nic4us]

Yes, but there is the mighty USAPA representing the interests of the west regardless of cost or loss, right? Why should any west pilot feel they are vulnerable? If the best interests of the west pilots comes in the form of a joint contract with the NIC, then that's what USAPA is compelled to present and defend. Once the joint contract is passed, USAPA is free to meet the needs of the combined majority, but until then, they gotta hold their noses and not disenfranchise the west.

Timing is everything. USAPA was formed about a year too late. Somebody shoulda told Bradford.

Somebody did tell Bradford. We have a copy of the e-mail and it was strong evidence in Addington. He was specifically told not to let his intentions be known because it would be seen as an illegal DFR by any judge. Look what happened, every judge who has looked at it, plus the company lawyers plus a jury all found it to be an illegal DFR.