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Uh, not surprised just disappointed but I'll get over it. They just bought another trip so I'm taking my bride to Williamsburg for a while and I won't even look up when an airplane flies over. As far as electing former alpa guys.......we're all former alpa guys on both sides.
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No we're not.
Eric and Jeff were not former ALPA anything.
Eric and Jeff were not former ALPA anything.
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Bill Glynn says you easties are quitting.
PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH"
"TRUST, BUT VERIFY"
These two statements may be some of the most profound statements ever made concerning the defense of this country.
"PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH" has been the corner stone of our defense posture since World War II and has kept us out of what probably would have been a major conflict with the Soviet Union killing millions of people. Our economic and military strength kept us from ever needing to go to war and we eventually won our objectives without major bloodshed.
"TRUST BUT VERIFY" - a quote by Ronald Reagan to the Russians set the terms for peace with them.
How do those statements pertain to us today? We can achieve peace with both the company and the west only if we maintain our unity because in unity we have strength. I hear pilots tell me that they are giving up and boy, that is a statement I often secretly share with them. But than I remember who wins if we do and that just gets my Irish temper back up again. Quitting is not an option and I believe we will win the peace if we stay unified in our goals.
"TRUST, BUT VERIFY" also pertains to us. We need a checks and balance system in place within USAPA because we now have so many diverse opinions and agendas. When USAPA began, we had really only two objectives; Get rid of the Nic and get a contract that pays us a fair salary and gives us a decent quality of life.
As time has progressed and we have been unable to achieve all of our goals, people began to have doubts about our course and as always each of us had a different opinion as to how we need to proceed.
The basic objectives are still there. How we achieve them isn't so clear and that's why we need people in USAPA that are not in any one camp or field of influence.
Once Gary Hummel assumes the office of USAPA President, it is incumbent that we all support his efforts to achieve his campaign promises. If he is successful in getting a contract that is an industry standard, keeps the Nicolau Award in the dung heap of history and creates an atmosphere where both the east and west and the company come together at last, I will personally lead a push to have a statue of him erected in the PHL Food Court.
I hope and pray that he is successful because as a pilot here, I want the best for everyone.
So why do I ask you to vote for Paul Music? Because if Gary is unsuccessful in achieving these goals or if he can achieve some of them at the expense of the others, we need someone that is independent enough to not be a rubber stamp and "yes" man. We need to have someone that will watch out for interests, whether you are senior or junior.
What if he is able to negotiate an industry standard contract but at the expense of our seniority or keeps our seniority but gives up more work rules and money we are entitled to just to get a contract. In neither case is that acceptable. But we need someone that is passionate enough and strong enough to also not accept that.
Electing someone that will vote along "Party" lines will just give Carte Blanche to any agreements that may be made in the open or behind closed doors. We need someone that will be strong enough in character and not cave in to pressure to vote for something that can only cause us more misery just so we have something. We saw that with LOA 93.
The person we place on the BPR from Philadelphia may be the most important person we ever elect here. This person will be the deciding vote for the next year. He can't be someone in bed with either side or take sides with either side.
We are seeing this played out in the US Supreme Court with Health Care. The one judge that has the most influence is not the liberals and not the conservatives on the court. The one that has the most influence is the one judge that seems to be independent, Judge Kennedy.
We need a "Judge Kennedy" in the BPR to vote for what he thinks is right, not what someone's ideology or that he will vote a certain way because he is told to vote that way.
Paul's greatest strengths are his integrity and character. Reason with him and if he can find common ground, he will work with you. Try to force him to vote your way and you will find someone that can't be compromised. Paul may be the best hope we have of 'Trust, but verify.'
Bill Glynn
PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH"
"TRUST, BUT VERIFY"
These two statements may be some of the most profound statements ever made concerning the defense of this country.
"PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH" has been the corner stone of our defense posture since World War II and has kept us out of what probably would have been a major conflict with the Soviet Union killing millions of people. Our economic and military strength kept us from ever needing to go to war and we eventually won our objectives without major bloodshed.
"TRUST BUT VERIFY" - a quote by Ronald Reagan to the Russians set the terms for peace with them.
How do those statements pertain to us today? We can achieve peace with both the company and the west only if we maintain our unity because in unity we have strength. I hear pilots tell me that they are giving up and boy, that is a statement I often secretly share with them. But than I remember who wins if we do and that just gets my Irish temper back up again. Quitting is not an option and I believe we will win the peace if we stay unified in our goals.
"TRUST, BUT VERIFY" also pertains to us. We need a checks and balance system in place within USAPA because we now have so many diverse opinions and agendas. When USAPA began, we had really only two objectives; Get rid of the Nic and get a contract that pays us a fair salary and gives us a decent quality of life.
As time has progressed and we have been unable to achieve all of our goals, people began to have doubts about our course and as always each of us had a different opinion as to how we need to proceed.
The basic objectives are still there. How we achieve them isn't so clear and that's why we need people in USAPA that are not in any one camp or field of influence.
Once Gary Hummel assumes the office of USAPA President, it is incumbent that we all support his efforts to achieve his campaign promises. If he is successful in getting a contract that is an industry standard, keeps the Nicolau Award in the dung heap of history and creates an atmosphere where both the east and west and the company come together at last, I will personally lead a push to have a statue of him erected in the PHL Food Court.
I hope and pray that he is successful because as a pilot here, I want the best for everyone.
So why do I ask you to vote for Paul Music? Because if Gary is unsuccessful in achieving these goals or if he can achieve some of them at the expense of the others, we need someone that is independent enough to not be a rubber stamp and "yes" man. We need to have someone that will watch out for interests, whether you are senior or junior.
What if he is able to negotiate an industry standard contract but at the expense of our seniority or keeps our seniority but gives up more work rules and money we are entitled to just to get a contract. In neither case is that acceptable. But we need someone that is passionate enough and strong enough to also not accept that.
Electing someone that will vote along "Party" lines will just give Carte Blanche to any agreements that may be made in the open or behind closed doors. We need someone that will be strong enough in character and not cave in to pressure to vote for something that can only cause us more misery just so we have something. We saw that with LOA 93.
The person we place on the BPR from Philadelphia may be the most important person we ever elect here. This person will be the deciding vote for the next year. He can't be someone in bed with either side or take sides with either side.
We are seeing this played out in the US Supreme Court with Health Care. The one judge that has the most influence is not the liberals and not the conservatives on the court. The one that has the most influence is the one judge that seems to be independent, Judge Kennedy.
We need a "Judge Kennedy" in the BPR to vote for what he thinks is right, not what someone's ideology or that he will vote a certain way because he is told to vote that way.
Paul's greatest strengths are his integrity and character. Reason with him and if he can find common ground, he will work with you. Try to force him to vote your way and you will find someone that can't be compromised. Paul may be the best hope we have of 'Trust, but verify.'
Bill Glynn
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Indeed I do!
My concern is that if this merger with AA moves out of the pipe dream stage and actually happens, IMO a divided USAPA is in a very weak position when seniority integration comes about. So if you think a merger will happen then my suggestion is to get solid legal advice as to whether the Nic list or a straight DOH list gives you the best chance to preserve the issues that are important to you when the whole thing ends up in arbitration again with APA.
This is like musical chairs, two chairs and three groups. Somebody is going to be left holding the bag with no chair and as sure as you have a hole in your ass it won't be APA.
A legend in who's mind? Please enlighten me!
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Sorry, guess I was wrong. I just missed the part where you had a West MEC and a West Merger Committee and a West union. Maybe AOL will elect their own representation??
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Tell you what Driver, I'll put it in the simplest terms in bold print. THE EAST DOES NOT REPRESENT INTERESTS OF THE WEST. Get it throught your collective thick heads, USAPA is a dues collection agency. If you have any doubts, walk through the A concourse in PHX and take a poll. Be sure to wear a yellow lanyard. You'll get plenty of responses.
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Back at ya in simple bold print from your post!
THE WEST DOES NOT REPRESENT INTERESTS OF THE EAST
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Well, son, I'm glad the EAST invited me in their union so I can pour sand in the gas tank. I'll bde damned if I allow the likes of you idoits in the driver's seat.
Got it?
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Cheater,
Yeah I get it, you collectively voted in USAPA and now you name call and stamp your feet like a juvenile .
Next time around, join a union where your vote counts more than mine crybaby.
FA
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Son,
You can kiss my backside. Not cryiing or stompiing my feet. I plan on being in the courthouse in the near future and laughing as your attorneys walk to the elevator in defeat again. Otherwise, I'll be there to help bury USAPA's carcass when it is made irrelevant by APA.
Either way, I win.
APA buries USAPA and a west pilot wins. That has to be one of the most genius statements of all time.
Winning through losing. And you guys are supposed to be the smart ones. Right.
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