US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Help me here. Was it the east or the west who refused to discuss conditions and restrictions and who was "stealing" whose jobs?

I mean, from my point of view, the west decided to go for the gold after the lottery ticket and the east said, blow me. Classic mexican stand off, though the west pilots might now need to produce their birth certificates.

Hey, so far it is DOH for both parties, and will remain so for the predictive future. The 3% east raises will help the desire to keep rampant greed running seniority into the ground. Face it, the west pilots will likely never fly a wide body. With the downsizing of PHX, good luck, boys and girls. and I voted for Hummel from the beginning.

Have a good day, suckers.

Another eastie off his meds.

It was the east, during neg/med/arb, that refused to discuss fences and C&Rs. It's all in the transcripts.

And where do you get this 30 days to oblivion crap? We weren't even close to filing for one and you guys spent years in your bankruptcy.

Oh, and you make me laugh at how excited you get over a 3% raise. To bad that raise doesn't exist. LMAO.

 

[nic4us]

Wrong. The west refused c&r. Totally and completely. It was your clowns who walked out on a proffer of such. Okay, you get what you asked for. Sorta.

Because of the age attrition on the east which your clowns failed to take into account, the east will always be in a position to vote down any merged contract including a "NIC" provision. I mean, in five years, why would an east left seater or east right seat international hired tomorrow vote for a contract that would put 1800 pilots above him/her, much less those senior to them? You west guys are, frankly, stuck in heck. Have a good day. Enjoy because those enjoyable days will become far and few.

I don't know why I even bother replying to scabs but...since your post a complete falicy, I must reply.

The West was open to discussion during the arbitration.

PS...you aint going to get to vote for a contract...the scab union has seen to that.

 

[Move2CLT]

USAPA couldn't win a coin toss. What's your point? I was just stating the fact that they are our bargaining agent and we are stuck with them. Then a couple of you got carried away and made it out to be some kind of endorsment for USAPA...it wasn't.

You guys are so spring loaded...can't be healthy.

Driver...

Wow luv, did you notice all the easties bagging on USAPA?

Driver with his jab, Pi accepting the Nic, Glynn stating many easties wanting to give up.

Sounds like its coming to an end.

 

[nic4us]

What part of "binding arbitration" do you not get? The binding part, or the arbitration part.

Keep blathering, you have become a psychological oddity at this point.

You keep asking this Retiree, and you never get an answere.

Allow me....the part they don't get its the we are going to put their careers back in the gutter we rescued them from 7 years ago part.

Is a psychological oddity the same as an irrelevant scab?

 

[Move2CLT]

Gotta' hand it to ya' Bro...A bit brusque, but that's as succinct a summation as I've yet seen, and good for some serious chuckles ta' boot 😉

Got to hand it to you bro. That was a dumb reply to an even dumber post.

Nice work.

 

[Move2CLT]

Like I said..........

As I was saying.......

 

[HPearlyretiree]

You keep asking this Retiree, and you never get an answere.

Allow me....the part they don't get its the we are going to put their careers back in the gutter we rescued them from 7 years ago part.

Is a psychological oddity the same as an irrelevant scab?

I'll never get an answer because they are prisoners to cognitive dissonance. They know they are in the wrong, but they can't admit that they reneged on an agreement.

Honest people live up to their agreement, the others complain, whine, and create phony unions to try to get out of their agreement and constantly point the finger of blame elsewhere.

But...they..will...lose.

And, it will be hilarious.

 

[EastCheats]

So usapa just overturned the election of the west pilots to the appeals board. Any of you scabs care to defend this action? The most despicable pilot group ever to grace the sky.

On what grounds? Was Aunt Bee threatening to gouge out someone's eyes with knitting needles if she was relocated from Mayberry to the retirement home?

Gomers

 

[spike99]

No, but the furlough of those hired in 99 was not my fault. Blame 911 if you want to point the finger of blame. Obviously US had too many pilots after 911 and those 99 hires were furloughed. So spare me the song and dance about you saving someone else's job and consequently being owed something. If you hadn't taken the job, there was 100 others waiting to take it

No song and dance about saving jobs, just stating actual conditions of the airline. Once again, who took the jobs does't make any difference, but your repeated stance, shows your true colors. In your world, whomever took the jobs was ALPA fodder for your benefit.



Yet you have no problem with those in USAPA leadership who said that furloughed pilots could expect little in a merger. They were willing to throw you under the bus till you became an argument to use when they didn't get their way...and they'll do it again in a heartbeat if it allows them to get what they want.

No USAPA representitive has said anything other than DOH, so once again you are wrong.


A nonsense question - if not you and the others who got the jobs then someone else would have.

Once again, it does not matter if all pilots are equal based on date of hire with conditions and restrictions, but not for an ALPA shill.

It does when you argue that if you and the others who accepted the job hadn't done so the company would have gone under. Do you think you're the only group of pilots in the U.S. that could do the job?

Again arguing a point which is not salient, of course there were other pilots, but what's the point of any union.



Too blinded by anger to see the truth...or is it that you believe that everyone should see things your way and if they don't they're to blame for your troubles? Like I said, look around the crew room and the majority of the pilots you see are the one's you should be blaming. But no....so much easier to spout your bs...

Forunately Jim, most of the pilots like you are quickly exiting the crewrooms.

Spike

Jim

 

[nic4us]

On what grounds? Was Aunt Bee threatening to gouge out someone's eyes with knitting needles if she was relocated from Mayberry to the retirement home?

Gomers

Actually scab Parrella dissented on a portion.

She thinks the members elect should take office as scheduled until a new election could take place, which is what the C&BLs say.

 

[Move2CLT]

Wow, just when I am absolutely 100% positive that USAPA has bottomed out on the stupidity level, they punch a giant hole in the floor and find a new bottom.

Congrats on overturning the Appeals Board election you east idiots. This clear violation of LMRDA will have you paying attorney fees and court costs after you're ordered to reinstate our west pilots.

I truly can understand why you guys are without a pension, the lowest paid, and with careers that are in shambles.

 

[nic4us]

Spike99 said "No USAPA representitive has said anything other than DOH, so once again you are wrong."


Sorry to bud into your discussion with Boeing, but once again I find myself correcting the scab.


The West has usapa reps that say your scab DOH job theft scheme is DOA.

Get a clue would ya, a union cannot advance your scab agenda to the detriment of members it has a DFR to represent.

Have I mentioned lately that Lee Seeham is a union busting little lawyer, just thought I would throw that in there in case VP-elect scab Bradford brings him back.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Spike, since it's obvious that you prefer emotion to facts think what you want. It doesn't matter one iota to me...

But in case there's still hope for you, let me quote what Mike Cleary (you know, the exiting President of USAPA), Randy Mowery, and Todd Cardoza wrote in 2002:

"A pilot’s status as a furloughee at the time of the merger announcement or arbitration hearing may also bear significantly on the pilot’s placement on the merged list."

Jim

 

[EastCheats]

Actually scab Parrella dissented on a portion.

She thinks the members elect should take office as scheduled until a new election could take place, which is what the C&BLs say.

Self serving geriatric.

That's because the elected members wiill keep the bench warm for her while she goes shopping for Depends and yarn.

 

[N924PS]

Wow, just when I am absolutely 100% positive that USAPA has bottomed out on the stupidity level, they punch a giant hole in the floor and find define a new bottom.

Congrats on overturning the Appeals Board election you east idiots. This clear violation of LMRDA will have you paying attorney fees and court costs after you're ordered to reinstate our west pilots.

I truly can understand why you guys are without a pension, the lowest paid, and with careers that are in shambles.

Simply more ammunition for the Leonidas attorneys to use in the inevitable DFR against USAPA.

Between Paul Music's "DOH Fight to the Death", Bill Glynn's missives, and Steve Bradford on the witness stand, I think Leonidas and the West pilots are destined to prevail.

USAPA- Created to overturn the Nicolau Award, by and for the sole benefit of the East pilots. Shouldn't take the next jury long to render a verdict.