US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Move2CLT
Posted Today, 12:43 AM
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Blah, blah....'

I'm sticking around. Still some easties on here that need to be educated or chased away.

"educated or chased away." I'd suggest a much more economical solution that would free up a great deal of your time. Consider both the labor savings and enhanced conversational quality that would be afforded all by your simply leaving an open bag of manure in the room instead....

Have nice life.

 

[rosyjosey]

I hate what my peers are doing.

There is no ambiguity here, it's wrong to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration process.

You may believe that the Nicolau Award is not fair but the arbitrators of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations say you're wrong.

Haven't you always hated your betters er peers?

There is no ambiguity in expecting an elected representative to work for those who elected him, it is wrong for said representative to then renege and sell out his constituency.

Everyone, even you, has the right to fight an injustice and that is exactly what the Nicolau award was an injustice!

 

[Move2CLT]

Move2CLT
Posted Today, 12:43 AM
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Blah, blah....'



"educated or chased away." I'd suggest a much more economical solution that would free up a great deal of your time. Consider both the labor savings and enhanced conversational quality that would be afforded all by your simply leaving an open bag of manure in the room instead....

Have nice life.

You're still here?

 

[Move2CLT]

Haven't you always hated your betters er peers?

There is no ambiguity in expecting an elected representative to work for those who elected him, it is wrong for said representative to then renege and sell out his constituency.

Everyone, even you, has the right to fight an injustice and that is exactly what the Nicolau award was an injustice!

The only ones that feel the Nic was an injustice are the easties and thats because you werent awarded a DOH list.

Nicolau put together an extrememly fair list based on relative seniority which is, by far, the fairest integration method.

So get over it.

 

[Ames]

It's real hard JUNEBUG, you guys just make me laugh too much, just looking back over the last several weeks you can see the increase in desperation from you kids.

You can't be serious. You guys lose the RICO, snapback, MDA - still have the ripeness issue of the Addington DFR hanging over your heads. DJ ruling most likely not going your way very soon, this new fiasco on the appeals board election about to bite you in the ass.... yet you think the west is desperate. You're a hoot!

 

[Ames]

Allow me to simplify the original question into it's most basic, essential form: What MORAL basis exists for placing any person, with far less years worked within the same class and craft, as "senior" to any other with more years of service performed?

Simple: One had a job in a growing company. One was furloughed from a company about to liquidate. Had you been allowed to liquidate (as mostf wish you had) the #1 pilot on your list would have been right next to that 16 year furloughed guy applying for a job at the bottom of someone's list.

I know what's coming next from you.... blah blah blah - Parker said AWA would have gone BK without the merger, blah blah blah. The truth is (and we all know it), had US Airways liquidated the entire industry would have benefited and that possibility of BK for AWA (however misstated) would have been moot.

You of all people (a staunch supporter of reneging on binding arbitration) should really stop harping on the moral equation of the Nicolau list. You confuse morality with your own general opinion.

 

[Ames]

Do you not get the question? The question was, and apparently must be repeated here: "What MORAL basis exists for placing any person, with far less years worked within the same class and craft, as "senior" to any other with more years of service performed?"

What you've offered addresses that in no way, shape or form.
Not to fret. For such as yourself and like minded minions....It's clearly a "Trick Question".

You repeatedly ask the same question and have gotten sensible answers. The truth is that you really don't want an answer. You don't care about an answer as you don't care about the truth. You are just a pompous blowhard who just likes to hear yourself speak.

 

[Ames]

Read the fine print next time.

Care to elaborate?

 

[EastUS1]

You repeatedly ask the same question and have gotten sensible answers. The truth is that you really don't want an answer. You don't care about an answer as you don't care about the truth. You are just a pompous blowhard who just likes to hear yourself speak.

Said "sensible answers" did nothing but forward conditional circumstances, by way of "justification" and entirely failed to even address the actual question. Some even stated that morality had nothing to do with seniority lists/etc. Superior responses could be had from freshmen taking their very first philosophy class.

"The truth is that you really don't want an answer. " = Complete and utter BS. The TRUTH is that you really don't HAVE an answer.

Enough wasted time. It's a gorgeous day outside.

A quick PS: In fairness to all; it was a "Trick Question". In the absence of a constructed frame; no argued advancement is logically possible for the notion of placing one with less work performed ahead of another with more. I've grown far past disgusted with infantile, nic supporter fantasies of universally inherent "Integrity", and believed that some thought on the basic concept of morality here might be useful...or at least amusing for all.

 

[nevergiveup]

Care to elaborate?

Not really.

 

[traderjake]

no argued advancement is logically possible for the notion of placing one with less work performed ahead of another with more

The arbitrators of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations did exactly that.

I'll repeat myself in case you missed it the first time:

LOS is not seniority, four pilot seniority arbitrations in a row (USAirways-Shuttle, USAirways-America West, Delta-Northwest, and Frontier- Republic) say so.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list, that's way it's called a seniority number.

If you were the last pilot hired at USAir for 10 years are you any more senior at year ten than year one?

No, you have 10 years LOS and are still the junior pilot at the airline.

 

[nevergiveup]

The arbitrators of the last four pilot seniority arbitrations did exactly that.

I'll repeat myself in case you missed it the first time:

LOS is not seniority, four pilot seniority arbitrations in a row (USAirways-Shuttle, USAirways-America West, Delta-Northwest, and Frontier- Republic) say so.

Seniority is your position on a seniority list, that's way it's called a seniority number.

If you were the last pilot hired at USAir for 10 years are you any more senior at year ten than year one?

No, you have 10 years LOS and are still the junior pilot at the airline.

Works great as long as you are at the junior airline.

 

[Move2CLT]

Works great as long as you are at the junior airline.

But not at the bankrupt airline? LMAO.

 

[traderjake]

Works great as long as you are at the junior airline.

How's ignoring reality working for you?

 

[nevergiveup]

How's ignoring reality working for you?

The reality so far has been no NIC! Relative positions with fences would have worked just fine. Too late now. Have a coke!