US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Had it not been for the greed of the West pilots wanting to leap frog 15 yrs in seniority, who knows where we would be today.

You bad you don't know the difference between seniority and longevity, even after it was explained to you in four pilot seniority arbitrations.

Enjoy LOA 93.

 

[EastUS1]

Had it not been for the greed of the West pilots wanting to leap frog 15 yrs in seniority, who knows where we would be today.

You'll never get one of their way-cool-dude "Integrity Matters" T shirts thinking like that 😉

 

[fodase]

Yeah, we have seen those kind of rates at USAir in the past. Had it not been for the greed of the West pilots wanting to leap frog 15 yrs in seniority, who knows where we would be today.

Obviously, this is what the East pilots are willing to give up to protect their seniority. What a shame.....and Parker loves it.

breeze

Did the west pilot's pull out of negotiations?
Did the west pilot's kick out the union?
Did the west pilot's re-open every contract section and start from scratch?
Did the west pilot's renege on a seniority agreement?

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[mrbreeze]

You bad you don't know the difference between seniority and longevity, even after it was explained to you in four pilot seniority arbitrations.

Enjoy LOA 93.

You know trader,

I have to question your "four pilot arbritrations" theory.

In reality, only the NW/DL integration has been cruising along without much complaint. Could that be because the hire dates were pretty simililar and not that much off of a DOH SLI? Not to mention that DL management probably sweetened the pot before the deal was done.

In the Shuttle integration.....I believe that the arbitrator took into account the years that the Eastern pilots had under their belts, giving them a little more leeway.

As far as Republic/Frontier, well, that really worked out, eh? Frontier is being sold off.

So, that leaves us with our mess, which is yet resolved. Thinking about all this just furthers my resolve to stick with my guns.

Your arguement is distorted and weak. We are in untested waters here and I am willing to ride it out.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Did the west pilot's pull out of negotiations?
Did the west pilot's kick out the union?
Did the west pilot's re-open every contract section and start from scratch?
Did the west pilot's renege on a seniority agreement?

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1-no
2-no
3-no
4-no

The East pilots stood up for what is right. That's all.

breeze

 

[traderjake]

In the Shuttle integration.....I believe that the arbitrator took into account the years that the Eastern pilots had under their belts, giving them a little more leeway.

Nicolau considered our years of service too, his opinion is in the award if you have a mind to read it.

 

[mrbreeze]

Nicolau considered our years of service too, his opinion is in the award if you have a mind to read it.

I have read it.....I still think you have a skewed outlook, for some odd reason. You just can't see the forest for the trees.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

dupe

 

[traderjake]

I have read it.....I still think you have a skewed outlook, for some odd reason. You just can't see the forest for the trees.

You can't see past you're own personal greed.

 

[Move2CLT]

Yeah, we have seen those kind of rates at USAir in the past. Had it not been for the greed of the West pilots wanting to leap frog 15 yrs in seniority, who knows where we would be today.

Obviously, this is what the East pilots are willing to give up to protect their seniority. What a shame.....and Parker loves it.

breeze

Shut up breeze. Your incessant and baseless crying over greed is getting about as old as you are.

If you need lame, man up and accept responsibility. Your legal losses alone should give you the hint you need.

Give it a rest.

 

[luvthe9]

In the CLT Domicile meeting today, the pilots were told there is proof that ALPA National is supplying funds to AOL and the west pilots to finance their legal fight. They have supplied between $500,000 and $1.2 million for the legal fees. I wonder if any of our ALPA fanatics on this side of the Mississippi are getting any financial help? Mark Minor says he is going to start a Card Check to bring ALPA back.

Our lawyer also said that the seniority dispute would have been over after the 9th Circuit Court overturned Judge Wake, but he said the company and the west pilots worked together on the Declaratory Judgement filings because they both benefited from it.

From another source I heard that the APA negotiators signed a deal with Scott Kirby yesterday at a town outside of PHX, for a hostile takeover with the help of Wallstreet. AMR CEO Horton is going nuts! AMR Management pilots are going back to the line. There will be a 7 yr fence.

Pay will be Delta Parity plus 3%. A319 will be paid in the MD-80 and B737 pay group. 190 pay will be Jetblue rates after two years along with all new hires and returning furloughed pilots. Pension will be US Airways 10% to their B Fund and 4% to the 401K. They would freeze the A Fund.

 

[mrbreeze]

You can't see past you're own personal greed.

Well,

You're entitled to your opinion, however most of your East colleagues (meaning professional co-workers) disagree.

Again, your theory about the last 4 airline arbritrations is skewed.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Complete and utter nonsense.

ALPA has done zip to support AoL. Why would they?

 

[mrbreeze]

Shut up breeze. Your incessant and baseless crying over greed is getting about as old as you are.

If you need lame, man up and accept responsibility. Your legal losses alone should give you the hint you need.

Give it a rest.

You have no right to tell anyone to shut up, even though you think you're better than everyone.

Up your's!

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Well,

You're entitled to your opinion, however most of your East colleagues (meaning professional co-workers) disagree.

Again, your theory about the last 4 airline arbritrations is skewed.

breeze

East colleagues disagree?

Gee, what a surprise. Amazing how no one else agrees with
the east's position.