US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Sorry JUNEBUG, no NIC for you and I guess no DOH for us. Now run along and start you lawsuit against the APA.

Nic is it CB.

Isn't if funny how AoL knew more about what was going on than USAPA did? LMAO!!

Where was Cleary? Looks like he let you down. Looks like another of USAPA's many promises gone like a fart in the wind.

Where is your Nic Destroyer?

 

[Move2CLT]

but above you. That's all I care about. Has Hummel figured out yet that Nobody gives a flying fk what he thinks?

See east, that's how you do it. So few words yet crystal clear in his thought.

 

[Phoenix]

Its a relative seniority integration using a fleet correlation.
There, so simple to understand. Are you still confused?

You still haven't mentioned how the Nic or any other list aside from fleet lists is of any consequence (under your premonition), unless you are expecting a Nic permanent bid. I'm sure Doug will publish a system wide Nic inclusive permanent bid on Monday. 🙄

 

[fodase]

You know what the best thing is about this, we are NEVER going back to that dirtbag outfit ALPA.

So you now admit you will never see doh?

 

[luvthe9]

but above you. That's all I care about. Has Hummel figured out yet that Nobody gives a flying fk what he thinks?

Above me , now that's rich I was here several years before the formation of AWA, but knowing how you like to jump to the head of the line welll............ 😛

 

[luvthe9]

So you now admit you will never see doh?

Only when you admit you will never see the NIC. 😉

 

[ggiby]

Above me , now that's rich I was here several years before the formation of AWA, but knowing how you like to jump to the head of the line welll............ 😛

Oh Yep! the 9 days were way beyond the creation of AWA.... as was the 737/400 which, btw we were the launch customer for it w/ Boeing.
Most worked here at least 10 years before the inception of AWA... So you think you should be senior to those ? LOL You have been drinking
way to much cherry kool-aid

 

[mrbreeze]

Your east brothers and sisters will pay when you/they jerk gear for me...and soon Skippy if Parker has his way. usapa, LCC and and the nmb states we're one big happy family...Please remember this is what seham and bradford insisted on to form the corrupt union called usapa....DUMB...DUMB usapa.

Please oh please get that famous DOH/S22 past LCC, AOL and the TA CONTRACT and Federal Judges.

One LEGAL Us airways list going forward and it's the NIC sport.

OTTER.

IMHO....With the new federal law on SLI, I don't think anyone will try to step in and unravel this mess that NIC put us into.

If there is a merger with AA, there will be a period of time to try and negotiate a companywide SLI, but no one will agree. Then it will go to a new arbitrator. This new arbitrator will take into account APA's position, USAPA's position, and the AWA position. He will also consider the NIC along with the legal objection from the East pilots, then render a new SLI. Therefore, IMO, the NIC will be reconsidered along with the 9th's input, etc....

Unless Judge Silver steps in and rules one way or the other, Parker will sit back and watch the process run it's course, which indemnifies him of any legal problems or extra costs to make it right.

For any of us to think we know how this will play out, as far as APA accepting the NIC and all the legal posturing, it's a waste of time. Time will tell.

breeze

 

[prechilill]

You still haven't mentioned how the Nic or any other list aside from fleet lists is of any consequence (under your premonition), unless you are expecting a Nic permanent bid. I'm sure Doug will publish a system wide Nic inclusive permanent bid on Monday. 🙄

Cracker, your reading comprehension is flawed, you make stuff up. I said nothing of a system or flush bid. Did you ever go to college, peraps during a long furlough?

 

[flyingskier]

USAPA tried to hand a DOH list to Parker and he didn't accept it, what makes you think the APA will?

The east is more aged than the TWA group back in 2000 and the APA used a ratio to integrate the lists so again, what makes you think the APA will use DOH this time?

The APA has stated they are for the merger, don't you think seniority isn't a concern for APA? The best way to minimize impact of merging with an aged pilot group like the east is to NOT give the other side DOH. Seems the tea leaves (and almost direct language) is telling us this will be a ratio integration.

DOH is dead, the AA update you posted (but edited) stated a fleet ratio based on percentage without mention of date of hire integration. Seems you're going to the back of the line CB (where you belong). All the best!

Most likely the NIC is dead too. Once the APA see's that with the NIC, in 15 years the top 600 positions on the entire list would be West guys they will want nothing to do with the NIC. 3 way SLI is better for all.

Skier

 

[Metroyet]

IMHO....With the new federal law on SLI, I don't think anyone will try to step in and unravel this mess that NIC put us into.

If there is a merger with AA, there will be a period of time to try and negotiate a companywide SLI, but no one will agree. Then it will go to a new arbitrator. This new arbitrator will take into account APA's position, USAPA's position, and the AWA position. He will also consider the NIC along with the legal objection from the East pilots, then render a new SLI. Therefore, IMO, the NIC will be reconsidered along with the 9th's input, etc....

Unless Judge Silver steps in and rules one way or the other, Parker will sit back and watch the process run it's course, which indemnifies him of any legal problems or extra costs to make it right.

For any of us to think we know how this will play out, as far as APA accepting the NIC and all the legal posturing, it's a waste of time. Time will tell.

breeze

AWA doesn't exist Einstein! Remember that card drive and pushing for single carrier status? Guess what?...you got your wish.msingle carrier with onlynONE system seniority list. 😛

 

[mrbreeze]

AWA doesn't exist Einstein! Remember that card drive and pushing for single carrier status? Guess what?...you got your wish.msingle carrier with onlynONE system seniority list. 😛

Yep, AWA doesn't exist, therefore a new arbirtrator will have an easy job of throwing out the NIC, considering the legal objections from the East pilots and the 9th's dismissal of Wake's kangaroo court.

We do not have a SLI here at LCC......I think Parker, especially, and the courts are gonna pass the mess on to the next arbitrator who will be free to do anything he wants.

breeze

 

[prechilill]

Most likely the NIC is dead too. Once the APA see's that with the NIC, in 15 years the top 600 positions on the entire list would be West guys they will want nothing to do with the NIC. 3 way SLI is better for all.

Skier

Age is not a determinant for seniority integration.
Abiding by contract law probably is how this will play out, i do not think the arbitration panel, APA, LCC or the courts really care what you think. (IMO)

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I don't care about tit for tat, that doesn't matter to me. However, it looks like the only way the west could be materially worse off(discounting stagnation) would be with a DOH list. That does not appear at all likely from what we've seen to date.

Just on principle alone, I'll contribute to the west legal cause, however I'm not sweating the 'worst.' Other than the fact that usapa is all but impotent anyway. I figure the APA and Parker will be driving this bus, if it leaves on schedule.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Pay Cap

83 hours/month.
Voluntary Pick Up - 90 hours
82 hours 12-month average

A319/320/321 12-year TOS Captain Pay Rates (F/O 68% of Captain Rate)

Current - $172.44
Date of Signing - $181.92
Year 2 - $187.38
Year 3- $193.00
Year 4 - $198.79
Year 5 - $204.75
Year 6 - $210.90

The agreement also includes a provision at the amendable date to reset our compensation to the average of the total compensation of pilots at Delta and United Airlines.

Regards,

Chip