US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

I don't care about tit for tat, that doesn't matter to me. However, it looks like the only way the west could be materially worse off(discounting stagnation) would be with a DOH list. That does not appear at all likely from what we've seen to date.

Just on principle alone, I'll contribute to the west legal cause, however I'm not sweating the 'worst.' Other than the fact that usapa is all but impotent anyway. I figure the APA and Parker will be driving this bus, if it leaves on schedule.

Just like Parker's 200% bonus for performance, you know he will get a bonus for this bus leaving on schedule. 🙂

breeze

 

[luvthe9]

Oh Yep! the 9 days were way beyond the creation of AWA.... as was the 737/400 which, btw we were the launch customer for it w/ Boeing.
Most worked here at least 10 years before the inception of AWA... So you think you should be senior to those ? LOL You have been drinking
way to much cherry kool-aid

All I said that I was hired several years before AWA was formed, you have a problem with that.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Just like Parker's 200% bonus for performance, you know he will get a bonus for this bus leaving on schedule. 🙂

breeze

Yes he will. The APA may get a cut. Us, east or west? Not so much I don't think.

 

[nic4us]

Yep, AWA doesn't exist, therefore a new arbirtrator will have an easy job of throwing out the NIC, considering the legal objections from the East pilots and the 9th's dismissal of Wake's kangaroo court.

We do not have a SLI here at LCC......I think Parker, especially, and the courts are gonna pass the mess on to the next arbitrator who will be free to do anything he wants.

breeze

Yep, the next arbitrator will be free to do whatever he wants. And we will make sure s/he is informed of the usapa opinion that his/her ruling is nothing more than a suggestion from a senile idiot, that holds no binding finality whatsoever.

That and the fact that usapa has no legitimate legal objection to the Nic, and the 9th did not leave usapa free to commit a DFR, pretty much seals the deal.

Nic integrated into the APA's list.

 

[Phoenix]

Yep, AWA doesn't exist, therefore a new arbirtrator will have an easy job of throwing out the NIC, considering the legal objections from the East pilots and the 9th's dismissal of Wake's kangaroo court.

We do not have a SLI here at LCC......I think Parker, especially, and the courts are gonna pass the mess on to the next arbitrator who will be free to do anything he wants.

breeze

Passing the current ratified seniority lists to an arbitrator would be a lot safer than pushing to use a list that even the 9th (and the SCOTUS) refused to force.

 

[Phoenix]

Pay Cap

83 hours/month.
Voluntary Pick Up - 90 hours
82 hours 12-month average

A319/320/321 12-year TOS Captain Pay Rates (F/O 68% of Captain Rate)

Current - $172.44
Date of Signing - $181.92
Year 2 - $187.38
Year 3- $193.00
Year 4 - $198.79
Year 5 - $204.75
Year 6 - $210.90

The agreement also includes a provision at the amendable date to reset our compensation to the average of the total compensation of pilots at Delta and United Airlines.

Regards,

Chip

The West would vote in a DOH list tonight for those rates.

 

[cleardirect]

The West would vote in a DOH list tonight for those rates.

Wrong.

Still living in your fantasy world.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

IMHO....With the new federal law on SLI, I don't think anyone will try to step in and unravel this mess that NIC put us into.

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NIC didn't put you in any mess. The east and the west agreed to abide by whatever the arbitrator ruled.

And the west lived up to their agreements. The entitlement east? Not so much.

 

[fodase]

The West would vote in a DOH list tonight for those rates.

Would the east vote for the nic. For those rates.

 

[Phoenix]

NIC didn't put you in any mess. The east and the west agreed to abide by whatever the arbitrator ruled.

And the west lived up to their agreements. The entitlement east? Not so much.

Go play some golf already. We kept our agreements, and ALPA knows it. 😀

 

[nic4us]

Passing the current ratified seniority lists to an arbitrator would be a lot safer than pushing to use a list that even the 9th (and the SCOTUS) refused to force.

"safer"....for who?

Surely not "safer" for the APA and or the company who would be looking straight down the barrel of an already loaded DFR lawsuit, that has already been proven to be a loser for any union that represents the east and west pilots who agreed to solve the seniority integration via an already concluded binding arbitration.

Nope, much "safer" to use the Nic. Then nobody has a legal ground to sue.

seriously, use the Nic and who would/could sue and for what? the east pilots could sue usapa for not following their constitution and bylaws, but, where will usapa's C&BLs be 60 days after a merger?

Again, much "safer" to use the Nic. Particularly for the company who would have the deepest pockets and the most to lose if usapa falls on its sword on the way out the door.

 

[cleardirect]

Go play some golf already. We kept our agreements, and ALPA knows it. 😀

Who???? ALPA????

Usapa has been the bargaining agent for 4 years. You have not kept your bargains.

 

[Phoenix]

Would the east vote for the nic. For those rates.

You are a clown. Of course. And you know the West would vote DOH in tonight.

Thing is. Since when has a company stipulated a seniority list in a tentative agreement in a merger? Hmmm... Its a matter for the unions, and they stay out of it.

The company has asked Judge Silver if they must use a list arrived at through the means stipulated in the TA for the purposes of the merger of USAir and AWA. The TA Judge Silver is reading is of no consequence in a Tentative Agreement with AA. Merger interuptis.

Explain how USAPA and APA would submit an unratified list(s) to an arbitrator without having an injunction placed on the arbitration (especially when they have ratified lists in their possession that they and the company enforce). DP (and USAPA and APA, for these rates) doesn't want merger interruptis.

 

[Phoenix]

"safer"....for who?

Surely not "safer" for the APA and or the company who would be looking straight down the barrel of an already loaded DFR lawsuit, that has already been proven to be a loser for any union that represents the east and west pilots who agreed to solve the seniority integration via an already concluded binding arbitration.

Nope, much "safer" to use the Nic. Then nobody has a legal ground to sue.

seriously, use the Nic and who would/could sue and for what? the east pilots could sue usapa for not following their constitution and bylaws, but, where will usapa's C&BLs be 60 days after a merger?

Again, much "safer" to use the Nic. Particularly for the company who would have the deepest pockets and the most to lose if usapa falls on its sword on the way out the door.

Explain how the union is going to use an unratified list.

 

[cleardirect]

Explain how the union is going to use an unratified list.

Read closer. The list can't be used until it is ratified. That has nothing to do with it being a legal and valid list.

Arbitration just does not go away. The Nicolau will be the list used for the next integration count on it.