US Pilots Labor Discussion

[prechilill]

what the APA will think of the nic seems an unknown at this time. I'd think they'll have to see what it would mean for their people before any can envision what their opinion of it will be. They've made mention of the age of the US group. Whether they'll be thrilled with the idea of the nic, and where that would place so many young folks from AWA? = Your guess is as good as mine.

Here's a clue, the APA is NOT going for DOH. There is only one group hell bent on DOH and they were just made irrelevant by Parker and Bates.

 

[Move2CLT]

While their intentions are certainly nothing in the way of DOH, which I don't expect to see as the AA/US merged list in this case; what the APA will think of the nic seems an unknown at this time. I'd think they'll have to see what it would mean for their people before any can envision what their opinion of it will be. They've made mention of the age of the US group. Whether they'll be thrilled with the idea of the nic, and where that would place so many young folks from AWA? = Your guess is as good as mine.

Hey east, you creatively modify any AA posts lately?

 

[OTTER574]

Exactly. I'm having a great weekend! Eventually that dumb horse is going to have to choke down some water and when he does I'm going to be laughing the whole time

Like I said before..Parker/LCC right flanked usapa again and they don't even realize it yet.... 😛

OTTER

 

[Res Judicata]

While their intentions are certainly nothing in the way of DOH, which I don't expect to see as the AA/US merged list in this case; what the APA will think of the nic seems an unknown at this time.

Nobody cares what APA thinks of the Nic. It's meaningless. Nobody cares what you, I or anybody else THINKS of the Nic. award. It's over. APA has...incredibly uncharacteristically i might add, CONCEDED the fact that the seniority integration was going to go before an Arbitration Panel and they were largely along for the ride...it's the law. APA has all the motivation in the world to shut up, play ball, and make this thing go down as fast and as easy as possible. Horton has a gun held to their heads and Parker will deliver them to relative Paradise. They aren't going to let a whiny bunch of AFO's so much as ruffle a page of their new contract. Only AFO's don't mind losing billions of dollars in a self inflicted tantrum. APA is different. They actually want to be compensated for their time...and they will be. No stupid shenanigans or BS stunts or stupid legal maneuvers is going to stop them. Their contract, like it or not, it going to get rammed down our throats...only an Easthole needs a 40% raise "rammed" down their throat against their will.

Single Carrier status, Joint contract, No CoC, Nic in stone...reshuffled to fit AMR, done. Over. Enjoy your vastly improved contract and relax. It's that complicated.

 

[OTTER574]

Secretary: "Doug, there's a Gary Hummo? Hummer? Humil? or something on the phone for you...he won't stop calling....it's like the 8th time today"

Doug: "Who the hell is THAT guy? Tell him I'm....I'm.......busy and I may have a no name underling call him back if there are no more pencils to be sharpened up here today"

Secretary: "Okay Doug, I told him all that and he sounds pissed. He rambled about how senior he was and his DOH....something about being an important president of something....a pickleball association I think. I googled it.

Doug: F@*k him. Sign out front says "No Solicitors". Not hard to understand....for normal people...Pickleball!!??

Mr Parker...this is hummel again...HELLO, please return my calls??....hummel to bradford...get the treasurer on the line and make sure we still have toll free phone service that's paid.

OTTER

 

[prechilill]

Single Carrier status, Joint contract, No CoC, Nic in stone...reshuffled to fit AMR, done. Over. Enjoy your vastly improved contract and relax. It's that complicated.

Pretty much nailed it. Any questions from the AFO gallery?

How many ways can you say "it's over"?

 

[cleardirect]

While their intentions are certainly nothing in the way of DOH, which I don't expect to see as the AA/US merged list in this case; what the APA will think of the nic seems an unknown at this time. I'd think they'll have to see what it would mean for their people before any can envision what their opinion of it will be. They've made mention of the age of the US group. Whether they'll be thrilled with the idea of the nic, and where that would place so many young folks from AWA? = Your guess is as good as mine.

Whaaaaaaat! Are you saying that DOH gold standard is not going to be your birth right at AA? How can that be? Perhaps situational ethics here. I thought you guys have been saying that DOH is the only way to go and the AA pilots would agree to step aside for the east pilot careers.

BTW did you ever have the career expectation to have access to 120 wide bodies? So you are good with being fenced off those for life right? You never had an expectation of flying anywhere but CLt, PHL or DCA right. So you will not mind being fenced in to those bases right? Now if PHl becomes redundant oh well.

You east guys are about to see how Parker favors the majority. All the new flying and equipment will go to the AA boys. But it will be ok. You can keep what you brought to the merger.

 

[fodase]

While their intentions are certainly nothing in the way of DOH, which I don't expect to see as the AA/US merged list in this case; what the APA will think of the nic seems an unknown at this time. I'd think they'll have to see what it would mean for their people before any can envision what their opinion of it will be. They've made mention of the age of the US group. Whether they'll be thrilled with the idea of the nic, and where that would place so many young folks from AWA? = Your guess is as good as mine.

So the combine us/awa is about 5200 pilots that have to be integrated into the amr list. Why would the apa care or why would it matter how young any of those 5200 pilots are? I mean the apa wants the best deal for their pilot's and could care less what the makeup of our 5200 guys are. Can you logically make an argument as to why the apa would care?

 

[EastUS1]

Perhaps situational ethics here.

You east guys are about to see how Parker favors the majority.

It's my honest belief that you wouldn't understand "ethics" if directly struck by a train loaded with such. My position has not, nor will ever change. I believe that DOH is the only reasonable manner by which to integrate any union members of the same class and craft....period. I will not personally vote for any contract that fails to do so. Nothing in that is "situational", nor ever will be. The highly likely merger scenario is one where DOH is not the determining element. Observing that to be the case constitutes no change in my own belief structure or behavior. It's incumbent upon all decent people to behave according to their best moral beliefs, ie: strive to do "the right thing", as they see it. No assurance ever exists that said beliefs will triumph within any given trial in this world.

Ummmm...Did ANY of that actually sink in?

"You east guys are about to see how Parker favors the majority." Well...if that's not a qualifier for the "DUH!" moment of the decade. 😉 What you, in your eagerness, fail to recognize is that YOU are also NO part of that majority whom Parker's courting with promises of no furloughs/etc, nor have either east or west been afforded ANYTHING in the way of warranties whatsoever...but cackle on at your pleasure.....Pay no attention to that farmer with the hatchet...

 

[EastUS1]

Can you logically make an argument as to why the apa would care?

Previously covered. "They've made mention of the age of the US group. Whether they'll be thrilled with the idea of the nic, and where that would place so many young folks from AWA? = Your guess is as good as mine." You may well be right. Whether any concerns will exist for the American gang over the nic is for them to determine, not us.

What list(s) may be passed is another matter entirely, and I've no definite notions on what will actually happen there. We'll all have to see how events unfold, and do whatever ourselves and our respective groups feel to be appropriate.

 

[fodase]

Previously covered. "They've made mention of the age of the US group. Whether they'll be thrilled with the idea of the nic, and where that would place so many young folks from AWA? = Your guess is as good as mine." You may well be right. Whether any concerns will exist for the American gang over the nic is for them to determine, not us.

What list(s) may be passed is another matter entirely, and I've no definite notions on what will actually happen there. We'll all have to see how events unfold, and do whatever ourselves and our respective groups feel to be appropriate.

Again use common sense, the apa pilot was speking of the fact that usair has substantial retirements which will mean quicker advancement than stand alone amr. As far as what list is used in the merger, there is no logical scenario that doesn't include the NIc. None.

 

[EastUS1]

Again use common sense, the apa pilot was speking of the fact that usair has substantial retirements which will mean quicker advancement than stand alone amr. As far as what list is used in the merger, there is no logical scenario that doesn't include the NIc. None.

Only time will tell. You may be right, or not. In any case; It's the American contingent you need to convince, not me.

Have a good day.

 

[Move2CLT]

It's my honest belief that you wouldn't understand "ethics" if directly struck by a train loaded with such.

So tell me. Is it ethical to change a source that you cited to make it fit your argument.

I've noticed you lack the words to express what you did.

 

[Claxon]

Again use common sense, the apa pilot was speking of the fact that usair has substantial retirements which will mean quicker advancement than stand alone amr. As far as what list is used in the merger, there is no logical scenario that doesn't include the NIc. None.

The only logical methodology for the APA is to not use the Nic. To use the Nic would be to put the far junior western div pilots ahead of the already retiring eastern div pilots. That does not make any sense at all to the APA. The APA pilots are well aware of this, and are already planning to use it to their advantage.

 

[Move2CLT]

The only logical methodology for the APA is to not use the Nic. To use the Nic would be to put the far junior western div pilots ahead of the already retiring eastern div pilots. That does not make any sense at all to the APA. The APA pilots are well aware of this, and are already planning to use it to their advantage.

Give it up Claxon. You're posts are getting more and more pathetic as you ratchet up your diatribe.

Not even your own east brothers believe what you say.

Give it a rest.