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We (the east) did to the tune of 10 billion dollars, that is why you are not out of work now. Not one cent more.
I thought it was only 9 Billion. But you guys keep delaying a new contract and giving more to the company. I guess that is the only thing you guys know how to do. Is give away money.
 
Nice to see that nothing changes in this thread...

Oh Ames, The weather was absolutely beautiful this weekend in "Stepford" land. Thanks for taking time away from your angry diatribe to ask. Some quiet meditation time may help with the rage issues.

Leonidas is really going to take the time to send out some more propaganda to the "East"?
I heard rumors that they are saying they got the list of addresses and names from a so-called National Union Database. Which, if true, is kind of funny because both unions(ALPA and USAPA) had/have a different address for my husband than the one the mailing was sent to..oh well I'm sure they have an explanation for that.

Isn't it strange how the East is leaving so much on the table with regards to a new contract and pay...wonder why? You "Westies" must just shake your head. I saw that the company is looking to fill 80 pilot positions, every one East is moving up how is the stagnation out in PHX? It is what you brought to the merger.
 
Looks like 2011 will be a good year for the east..........................

Lump sum payout starts the year off nicely with each of us getting $10,200................Nice!

LOA 93 pay restoration

East Attrition and Int'l growth

East new hires

Profit Sharing

Flight Time Duty Time changes

Pension Investigaton

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Isn't it strange how the East is leaving so much on the table with regards to a new contract and pay...wonder why? You "Westies" must just shake your head. I saw that the company is looking to fill 80 pilot positions, every one East is moving up how is the stagnation out in PHX? It is what you brought to the merger.
Stagnant LOA93 rates is what the east brought to the merger and it looks like you'll be keeping those for quite some time to come.

The most probable reason is Groupthink - the same phenomenon that caused US “intelligence” to think that Pearl Harbor was safe from enemy attack and many other similar failures. Irving Janis has documented eight symptoms that may sound eerily familiar in this situation as it relates to the east pilots’ mindset:
1. Illusion of invulnerability –Creates excessive optimism that encourages taking extreme risks.
2. Collective rationalization – Members discount warnings and do not reconsider their assumptions.
3. Belief in inherent morality – Members believe in the rightness of their cause and therefore ignore the ethical or moral consequences of their decisions.
4. Stereotyped views of out-groups – Negative views of “enemy” make effective responses to conflict seem unnecessary.
5. Direct pressure on dissenters – Members are under pressure not to express arguments against any of the group’s views.
6. Self-censorship – Doubts and deviations from the perceived group consensus are not expressed.
7. Illusion of unanimity – The majority view and judgments are assumed to be unanimous.
8. Self-appointed ‘mindguards’ – Members protect the group and the leader from information that is problematic or contradictory to the group’s cohesiveness, view, and/or decisions.

http://www.psysr.org/about/pubs_resources/groupthink%20overview.htm
 
The east doesn't care what anyone thinks about us! Just in case you missed it we haven't lost much since ALPA was removed!

This group has told everyone how we feel about the Nicolau award..............

Just like Scooter told J. Mac......you have a lottery ticket you can't cash........

The problem with the west is that your legal scholars still don't understand labor law in this country.

Gosh, I love unions! USAPA is the best money ever spent.

J. Freund told you guys and you would not listen to him.................all the risk is on the west side of this transaction. Big mistake!

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The east doesn't care what anyone thinks about us! Just in case you missed it we haven't lost much since ALPA was removed!

This group has told everyone how we feel about the Nicolau award..............

Just like Scooter told J. Mac......you have a lottery ticket you can't cash........

The problem with the west is that your legal scholars still don't understand labor law in this country.

Gosh, I love unions! USAPA is the best money ever spent.

J. Freund told you guys and you would not listen to him.................all the risk is on the west side of this transaction. Big mistake!

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You are so right, yet they still follow the Rev. Jim Jones. 😉
 
Lump sum payout starts the year off nicely with each of us getting $10,200................Nice!
How does that $10,200 compare to the pay increase you could have had in 2007 and going forward under Kirby?

LOA 93 pay restoration
Please post the arbitration ruling that shows this has been ordered

East Attrition and Int'l growth
Damages for DFR II?

East new hires
What is their starting rate of pay and how long will they be on those rates?

Profit Sharing
East/West and most all groups get to share in this, especially thanks to the LOA93 rates that saved the company very nicely.
 
The most probable reason is Groupthink - the same phenomenon that caused US “intelligence” to think that Pearl Harbor was safe from enemy attack and many other similar failures. Irving Janis has documented eight symptoms that may sound eerily familiar in this situation as it relates to the east pilots’ mindset:
http://www.psysr.org/about/pubs_resources/groupthink%20overview.htm

Yes and let's not discount the possibility of "Stockholm Syndrome"!!
 
I understand now the Westies are looking at changing their legal team since they have not won anything yet, and are in debt over 1.5 million dollars, also the donations are starting to dwindle down as most are starting to realize they have wasted alot of money believing AOL could deliver. Too bad.
 
I was just reading USAPA's manifesto addressing every line and punctuation mark in the Leonidas mailing. Don't care what's in it but I must say it must've struck a nerve for USAPA to feel the need to (attempt to) refute it so strongly. This is a good sign since it means they actually read it. Look for the next installment in your mailboxes soon. And learn something.
Can't wait for Leonidas 2 mailing. The first one was very entertaining. All one could think was the author must have been the same numbskull who wrote all those ALPA missives that came to us regularly before we tossed them. The authors talk to us like we are Mesa or Trans states rookies, and are just getting into the industry. They never figured out we are older, seen it all, and are in no mind to give our careers to a bunch of entitled kids. Make no bones, the west is going to get the fight of its' life, and pay dearly for it in the process. You are not jumping on anybodys' back just because you got some windfall in a process gone haywire. Far from it. Just because you squandered your badge backer milk money on some propaganda mailer aimed at the senior guys doesn't mean even one of us bought the story line. You just pissed off anybody that was even on the fence, and nobody wants you in their 330, in any seat, doing any job after that one. Have fun guys. Keep the donations coming! A laugh a minute!
 
Looks like 2011 will be a good year for the east..........................

Lump sum payout starts the year off nicely with each of us getting $10,200................Nice!

So why do folks who do not earn the same amount receive the same amount as a lump sum. Sounds like seniority (or longevity) is only sometimes-sacred.
 
Callaway,

That little mailer from AOL did exactly what the ALPA mailers did to our group.........It pissed us off even more! Keep them coming like the donations.

You guys have underestimated the resolve of the east pilot group at every turn. You guys should get better legal help.

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Can't wait for Leonidas 2 mailing. The first one was very entertaining. All one could think was the author must have been the same numbskull who wrote all those ALPA missives that came to us regularly before we tossed them. The authors talk to us like we are Mesa or Trans states rookies, and are just getting into the industry. They never figured out we are older, seen it all, and are in no mind to give our careers to a bunch of entitled kids. Make no bones, the west is going to get the fight of its' life, and pay dearly for it in the process. You are not jumping on anybodys' back just because you got some windfall in a process gone haywire. Far from it. Just because you squandered your badge backer milk money on some propaganda mailer aimed at the senior guys doesn't mean even one of us bought the story line. You just pissed off anybody that was even on the fence, and nobody wants you in their 330, in any seat, doing any job after that one. Have fun guys. Keep the donations coming! A laugh a minute!
Gee BS you sound like you're about to have a stroke and then claim a laugh a minute. When did US start any polar routes?

Don't worry the guys that will replace USAPA will look out for you. Yes, even you.
 
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