US Pilots Labor Discussion

[LSS]

Actually, it doesn’t matter who you voted for or if you voted at all. It doesn’t matter if you were objector or a non-member of ALPA – the NRLB gave ALPA the federally-authorized right to represent every pilot of US & HP at the time of the merger based on the representational election process that brought them in in the first place.

Wong again... the NMB is who has oversite over the airline industry... not the NRLB!

 

[Metroyet]

This has nothing to do with a moral code. It has everything to do with Internal Union Affairs. The USAirways pilots by majority vote selected a new union that has CB&L 's that have nothing to do with the Nicolau Award. It is that simple. 😀

It's a little more complicated than that as evidenced by 3 more years spinning your wheels in the Loa 93 mud pit and no DOH list anywhere in sight.

 

[Coach Cabin]

... WE WILL NEVER EVER AGREE...

Isn't that what landed you guys in FINAL and BINDING arbitration in the first place?

 

[luvthe9]

It's a little more complicated than that as evidenced by 3 more years spinning your wheels in the Loa 93 mud pit and no DOH list anywhere in sight.

Well, the biggest victory was the 9th coming out (thanks to the west filing Addington) and saying very clearly the Nicolau does not necessarily have to be the end all you claim it is. That, is the biggest victory of all.

 

[RSVP767]

I need to start keeping track of how many times I have asked this question and have never received a response ... please cite any recognized moral code (religious, civil, philosophical, whatever), that governs any societal interactions which explicitly states that violating an agreement/covenant is considered honorable/moral or that professes that honoring one’s agreements is considered immoral/dishonorable. In this country and with our reliance on Judeo-Christian ethics it is unquestionably true that breaking agreements, contracts, or covenants is immoral. You can try to hide from that fact, but thus far you haven’t cited any objective standard of morality that holds that what the east pilots are doing is in any way considered to be moral or acceptable conduct in any society.

Please tell all your divorced friends and relatives how you really feel about them the next time you see them. And don't forget to include any divorced West pilots you fly with.

 

[hp_fa]

This has nothing to do with a moral code. It has everything to do with Internal Union Affairs.

Taken out of context the GOP folks would have a field day with that quote.

 

[RSVP767]

A nice tale but doesn't fit wit reality. AirCal was acquired by AA in 1987 and the pilots were integrated via DOH. AA didn't acquiire Reno till 1999. Are you sure your brother didn't make the whole thing up?

Jim

To the best of my recollection, I don't think Reno Air was even around before Air Cal merged with AA. Air Cal and Reno Air never had anything to do with one another other than both ending up at AA.

 

[luvthe9]

Isn't that what landed you guys in FINAL and BINDING arbitration in the first place?

No, that is what landed us out of ALPA. Not Final nor Binding..........

 

[nic4us]

Here we go again. The jury in the trial that is now wiped clean. Is that the one ? If it has any import, let us know how you are going to use it. 😀

Yep, that is the one.

Here is how we are going to use it. We are going to remind the company for the third time, that if they touch the Nic, the West pilots will sue the living daylights out of them. Since they have been warned twice before, I think they will get the idea.

Oh, wait, I have been using the past tense. I think AOL already warned them a third time, and as a response they told usapa to pound sand and filed for a declaratory judgement, only to hear in the course of oral arguements over West's motions, a federal judge tell the company for the fourth time, that if they touch the Nic, the West pilots have a case against them, which BTW usapa has already lost once.

Ouch,,,,,the Nic, unmodified, to its terms, or, get sued, waste money, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR". But, if you happen to be LCC and not usapa, strike DFR and insert hybrid DFR claim or a couple hundred million, whichever you prefer.

Also, this is going to come as a big surprise to the union busting little lawyer, or at least to the people he has hoodwinked into believing him, but, I think AOL's legal team is going to hit usapa over the head in the company's suit with quotes from the 9th in Addington, or are you saying the 9ths dicta has no relevance, has been "wiped clean" and cannot be cited?

 

[luvthe9]

Taken out of context the GOP folks would have a field day with that quote.

Right after they went after the weapons of mass destruction..........

 

[luvthe9]

Yep, that is the one.

Here is how we are going to use it. We are going to remind the company for the third time, that if they touch the Nic, the West pilots will sue the living daylights out of them. Since they have been warned twice before, I think they will get the idea.

Oh, wait, I have been using the past tense. I think AOL already warned them a third time, and as a response they told usapa to pound sand and filed for a declaratory judgement, only to hear in the course of oral arguements over West's motions, a federal judge tell the company for the fourth time, that if they touch the Nic, the West pilots have a case against them, which BTW usapa has already lost once.

Ouch,,,,,the Nic, unmodified, to its terms, or, get sued, waste money, lose "unquestionably ripe DFR". But, if you happen to be LCC and not usapa, strike DFR and insert hybrid DFR claim or a couple hundred million, whichever you prefer.

Also, this is going to come as a big surprise to the union busting little lawyer, or at least to the people he has hoodwinked into believing him, but, I think AOL's legal team is going to hit usapa over the head in the company's suit with quotes from the 9th in Addington, or are you saying the 9ths dicta has no relevance, has been "wiped clean" and cannot be cited?

And right after that the 9th will smoke one right up your tailpipe. Keep the donations coming!

 

[nic4us]

Well, the biggest victory was the 9th coming out (thanks to the west filing Addington) and saying very clearly the Nicolau does not necessarily have to be the end all you claim it is. That, is the biggest victory of all.

Sorry, but that ain't what the 9th said. That is how usapa communications (i.e. Theur and the little lawyer) interpreted the 9ths opinion for the lemmings, to further their personal agendas of job theft and lining their pockets.

But, if you read the 9th decision yourself, you can clearly see they are warning usapa, if you do not use the Nic, you better come up with something that makes the West happy, otherwise usapa will get sued in the "unquestionably ripe DFR". Further, the two judges of the majority specifically declined comment about whether the arbitration is binding on usapa, but note that the dissent most certainly thinks so. We all know Wake thinks so, as does every other lawyer who has looked at it except Seham. Oh wait...their is that Baptiste guy who put his foot in his mouth, because he does not discuss what has actually transpired, and instead talks about union elections and such while trying to highlight Seham's incompetence in the B&W blog.

So, it looks like I have been wrong all along. It is not the Nic, unmodified to its terms, otherwises get sued etc. etc. According to the 9th, usapa could give the West a deal better than the Nic, and avoid that fate. You east guys willing to take the Nic plus move all the West up say another 517 numbers to keep from getting usapa sued?

 

[Phoenix]

No, that is what landed us out of ALPA. Not Final nor Binding..........

No, that is what landed us out of ALPA (Insert cymbals here). Not Final nor Binding..........

 

[Phoenix]

Warned of what exactly? You guys have been told time and again you're on a fools errand. The Jury conviction in less than 2 hrs is kind of an indicator don't you think?

2 hours...

Yeah but it took months to manipulate the evidence allowed/excluded and nearly as long to frame the jury instructions that obscured an application of the SCOTUS DFR threshold.

 

[traderjake]

You keep talking of "moral code" here. There is no such thing. At least nothing of a universal nature. As you so astutely point out, morality changes with time, culture, situations.

Thanks for admitting in writting what your actions demonstrate.

Nothing is universally immoral for you.

I'll remember not to turn my back on you.