US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvthe9]

There, I fixed it.

this is ridiculous

 

[Black Swan]

On a lighter note April , 2013 a huge retirement bash invite only, the donations are flowing in! My moneys on the party! MM!

Boeing Boy and the others miss a lot of the good intel by not being on the property. Was through CLT CQT last month and you would not believe the number of guys that are NOT planning to go to 65. The party starts sooner that you think! 😀

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Boeing Boy and the others miss a lot of the good intel by not being on the property. Was through CLT CQT last month and you would not believe the number of guys that are NOT planning to go to 65. The party starts sooner that you think! 😀

SWAN, heard the same, shame, "our monies on you" party can't get started earlier ! MM!

 

[flyinawa]

That is a scumbag thing to do... if you want to interject your "opinion" about it... post the quote as was stated... then make your stupid statement yourself!

I didn't interject my "opinion" into it. With the exception of changing ALPA to USAPA, I quoted it directly. If the original poster elected to go back and edit HIS comment after I quoted him, go rattle sabers with him.

 

[flyinawa]

Why are you surprised at such scumbag things coming out of the west?

What intrigues me is why, if this guy is so upset with USAPA that he has to change someone else's quote to make his point, does he/she stop making any of those assessments and dues payments to USAPA?

After all....we heard for months from those west folks that no one has ever been fired from the airline for non-payment of dues or fees. (Wonder why we haven't heard that for quite some time?) This would be a perfect opportunity for the poster who can't even come up with a quote of his/her own to play the perfect foil for USAPA by refusing to pay any money at all to them.

See my previous post.

Cheers,
A (resentful but) dutiful usapa dues payer.

 

[flyinawa]

“If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships - the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together, in the same world at peace. ”

Franklin D. Roosevelt (1882-1945);
32nd U.S. President


At least I know this poster won't change his post after I quote it. Cheers!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I didn't interject my "opinion" into it. With the exception of changing ALPA to USAPA, I quoted it directly. If the original poster elected to go back and edit HIS comment after I quoted him, go rattle sabers with him.

The original poster has every right to correct his own posts. You do not have the right to change someone else's post under the guise of "fiixing" it.

If you want to quote someone directly, go ahead. But then don't change their words under the presumption of somehow correcting what they said. It's wrong and you know it.

 

[Reed Richards]

Boeing Boy and the others miss a lot of the good intel by not being on the property. Was through CLT CQT last month and you would not believe the number of guys that are NOT planning to go to 65. The party starts sooner that you think! 😀

I sure hope your intel is correct, I really do. But I seem to remember a lot of pilots saying years ago the magic number was "62" and no more. Now we hear "63" and so on.

It will interesting to see how LTD and Sick banks come into play over the next year.

RR

 

[Captain Underpants]

Boeing Boy and the others miss a lot of the good intel by not being on the property. Was through CLT CQT last month and you would not believe the number of guys that are NOT planning to go to 65. The party starts sooner that you think! 😀

You are correct. The training department was recently told to plan for 600 recall/new hires in the next three years 2011-2013. The East recall list is exhausted and they are trying to fill classes with West recalls to the E190 now. Letters are going out to a pool of 25 pilots left over from previous hiring to start as East new hires in early 2011. Pilot recruiting has started and a lady East F/O IP with previous pilot hiring experience will be in charge of the pilot hiring.

The company is also trying to get some A330's delivered in 2011. The A350's start coming the end of 2013 if Airbus can stay on schedule.

West pilots are invited to the party but only with a DOH ticket. Nic lottery tickets are worthless and will not get you in the door.

underpants

 

[Freighterguynow]

As #4 stated: a big difference between 57 - 60 and 63 - 65.

In the past, a pilot leaving on LTD had a 75% chance of returning. Now, at 60+ the numbers are far less which is driving the hiring news ( for the East ).

Don't forget, a pilot retiring today will not create a vacancy until a new bid is run ....

But, as my shiny AOL pamphlet sent to my company address informs me - it's F/O's and sick leaves anyway so nothing to see here.

 

[luvthe9]

Things are not going to well at UAL/CAL, what do you think Jetzzzzz. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-11-08/business/ct-biz-1109-united-20101108_1_pilots-bill-swelbar-wendy-morse

 

[Freighterguynow]

Even worse at SWA

Whats the worst that can happen to me? Relative seniority.(won't happen) What am I losing?

What is the worst that can happen to you? Staple. (won't happen) What are you likely to lose? Somewhere in the middle.

The middle is where I gain and you lose SENIORITY.

Your welcome for the huge quality of life increase I have spent a good amount of time earning for you. And I thank you for the increase seniority you will be giving to all my SWA brothers and sisters. That is what a win/win situation is all about.

 

[Hate2fly]

As #4 stated: a big difference between 57 - 60 and 63 - 65.

In the past, a pilot leaving on LTD had a 75% chance of returning. Now, at 60+ the numbers are far less which is driving the hiring news ( for the East ).

Don't forget, a pilot retiring today will not create a vacancy until a new bid is run ....

But, as my shiny AOL pamphlet sent to my company address informs me - it's F/O's and sick leaves anyway so nothing to see here.

All the risk is on the west side! J. Freund tried to tell the younger and smarter west pilots. And as usual they didn't listen.

The east will have to hire 200 pilots per year just to keep up with the attrition. The east will lose more than 2800 pilots in the next 14 years due to mandatory age 65 retirement. The attrition train is leaving the station. The east has over 500 pilots out on medicals right now and that number will grow as we all age.

Just waiting for the next bid..........

Hate

 

[Freighterguynow]

800+ over 60 - East

50 - West

I wouldn't put my hopes on a single bid as we are in new territory here and mgnt is running the place on the cheap. Nevertheless, the ramifications of those numbers with separate ops cannot be ignored.

Oh well, we tried to warn ya guess we'll prove it to you.

 

[Black Swan]

All the risk is on the west side! J. Freund tried to tell the younger and smarter west pilots. And as usual they didn't listen.

The east will have to hire 200 pilots per year just to keep up with the attrition. The east will lose more than 2800 pilots in the next 14 years due to mandatory age 65 retirement. The attrition train is leaving the station. The east has over 500 pilots out on medicals right now and that number will grow as we all age.

Just waiting for the next bid..........

Hate

Hate, there were also F/A's there that were out 10 yrs. and coming back. They are at the end of the line with that group also. I was told by a check airman that they are trying to nail down the staffing now, and try to get a good fix on how many they are expecting to put through shortly. The check pilots right now are somewhat slack on duty, as there is a lot of job spreading with the use of seat filler check pilots to keep them busy. They do not want to get rid of any because they said they know what is coming, and it is a bunch of new people. I don't know what the west is waiting for, they are going to inherit a bunch of seats if they are patient, and give up the windfall that is unattainable. Any way, if they don't want the positions, then we will see them filled with new hires, and the upward march that was inevitable, is going to start east. The older ranks are starting to thin. Guys are just not willing to hang out if they feel a contract is not coming soon. They have had enough, so the younger guys are going to see the move. And I am sure the new hires are going to side with the west in a voting block, and have them move in! The voting numbers are only going to get worse for them.